I recently acquired a horse. I took the horse because I has seen her show as a jumper a few years ago and fell in love. I was hoping that I could breed her and keep the baby for my own show horse. I was told that she is registered with the Jockey Club under the name Mount Gaylor by Coxs Ridge. I went to the TB Pedigree Query and pulled all that up with no problem. But still wanting more info I went to the Jockey Club Online Names book and entered Mount Gaylor and that name does not exist. I tried to read her tattoo but it is quiet old and very faded I cannot be sure of the accurate reading.
Unfortunately her papers we lost many years ago, the lady I got her from may have a copy but she has been unable to locate them so far but she is still looking.
Any Ideas?
How reliable is the Pedigree Query website?
Who is my Horse?
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According to the APR there is a mare named Mount Gaylor, foaled in 1987, by Cox's Ridge out of Slow Beat (1971) by Bolero. If this is your mare, her tattoo would start with the letter "R" for 1987, and that might help you eliminate that in case your mare is younger.
Since this mare would be 20 years old this year, the idea of breeding her at this stage of the game for a first foal might be a bit ambitious. The fact that the online names book shows her name "available" is a bit disconcerting. I think they release a name if a horse is reported deceased, or has its papers turned in and reported "sold without pedigree." Normally, you do not need a TB mare's papers in order to register a TB foal from her with the Jockey Club. But you might check with the Jockey Club regarding Mount Gaylor's status. If indeed she was reported deceased or had her pedigree cancelled you could run into some issues.
Good luck!
Since this mare would be 20 years old this year, the idea of breeding her at this stage of the game for a first foal might be a bit ambitious. The fact that the online names book shows her name "available" is a bit disconcerting. I think they release a name if a horse is reported deceased, or has its papers turned in and reported "sold without pedigree." Normally, you do not need a TB mare's papers in order to register a TB foal from her with the Jockey Club. But you might check with the Jockey Club regarding Mount Gaylor's status. If indeed she was reported deceased or had her pedigree cancelled you could run into some issues.
Good luck!
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fliteKat,
I would think this rule applies to your horse.
6-E. Names of horses over ten years old may be eligible if they are not excluded under Rule 6(F) and have not been used during the preceding five years either in breeding or racing.
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I would think this rule applies to your horse.
6-E. Names of horses over ten years old may be eligible if they are not excluded under Rule 6(F) and have not been used during the preceding five years either in breeding or racing.
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Well thanks for the quick responses.
Actually 1987 should start with a Q (I have another mare foaled in 1987 she starts with a Q, I have her papers). However the numbers are still fairly clear but the tattoo that I submitted to the Jockey club "is not a workable number."
Im not sure what the APR is but I too found a pedigree for Mount Gaylor. I just want to know FOR SURE that this is indeed my horse.
As far as breeding goes this would not be her maiden pregnancy, she has had several foals with previous owners. That said, I have been breeding for about 6yrs now, Im aware of the risks with an older mare, but she has had such good luck before I was hoping to get just one more baby! Ill keep my fingers crossed.
I have called the Jockey Club and truely got no further there, I will try again.
I really just want to know who she is for sure. I like not having any doubt!
Again any help on this matter is always appreciated.
Actually 1987 should start with a Q (I have another mare foaled in 1987 she starts with a Q, I have her papers). However the numbers are still fairly clear but the tattoo that I submitted to the Jockey club "is not a workable number."
Im not sure what the APR is but I too found a pedigree for Mount Gaylor. I just want to know FOR SURE that this is indeed my horse.
As far as breeding goes this would not be her maiden pregnancy, she has had several foals with previous owners. That said, I have been breeding for about 6yrs now, Im aware of the risks with an older mare, but she has had such good luck before I was hoping to get just one more baby! Ill keep my fingers crossed.
I have called the Jockey Club and truely got no further there, I will try again.
I really just want to know who she is for sure. I like not having any doubt!
Again any help on this matter is always appreciated.
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Re: Who is my Horse?
fliteKAT wrote:Any Ideas?
How reliable is the Pedigree Query website?
I have searched on many older horses and not had a hit on the pedigreequery website, so I wouldn't worry about that.
The Jockey Club cannot give you information on markings, so there won't be any help there. They can only research tattoos based on the letter and numbers that you provide. Being as the previous owner told you her name, I'd do as Madelyn suggested and look for the Q on her lip (Q is indeed 1987, I have 2 of them). It will be WAY over to the left side of the mouth as you are standing in front of the horse looking at the lip, and will look a lot like a zero or an O made by a dot-matrix printer. If you have a Q on the lip, I'd be convinced that this horse is the one the owner told you.
In Thoroughbreds, we keep all of the information under the names, and you can easily access tons of info just by knowing the name or the dam's name. The papers aren't very meaningful. Only wins will be recorded, not a full race record. You should buy a four-dam pedigree if you want to see the family race record.
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I tried a black light and a digital camera a couple days ago, they both did not work. What can I say tattoos really fade after 20 years or so!!!!!
Those are both really great ideas but like I said the numbers I came up with what the Jockey Club called "not a workable number." I am sure that the letter I see on her lip is a Q, but my friend thinks it is not. The only other thing is one of the numbers I gave to the Jockey Club was a 4 it may be a 9.
All my drama aside you guys have been great with all your ideas. Thanks alot.
Those are both really great ideas but like I said the numbers I came up with what the Jockey Club called "not a workable number." I am sure that the letter I see on her lip is a Q, but my friend thinks it is not. The only other thing is one of the numbers I gave to the Jockey Club was a 4 it may be a 9.
All my drama aside you guys have been great with all your ideas. Thanks alot.
madelyn wrote:Mount Gaylor has not had any registered Thoroughbred foals, so if the mare you have is Mount Gaylor they must have been non TB or unregistered. She shows no progeny in the APR.
My horse was not breed to a TB therefore non of her foals would be registered. I too will not breed her to a TB, I want a TB/warmblood cross as I think they make the best jumpers. Kind of like getting the best of both worlds. However, I still need to prove who both the parents are in the warmblood proving classes.
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Mount Gaylor
Hi, I looked at the Jockey Club and the 1987 mare, Mount Gaylor was bred by Loblolly Stable in Arkansas. John Ed Anthony was the owner of Loblolly Stable and they raced many successful horses. A google search brings up lots of information on them. Perhaps you could check with them on the mare's description etc. A lot of the horses were dispersed at the sales and I believe they are no longer in existence. By the way, Mount Gaylor is a place in Arkansas.
While the Loblolly folks were/are based in Arkansas, they boarded most of their breeding stock in KY (at Claiborne, if I remember correctly). So Mount Gaynor was indeed bred there. Loblolly also bred & raced her sire, Cox's Ridge.
Mr. Anthony still races horses, under the name Shortleaf Stable....and still names most of them after places in Arkansas.
Loblolly also bred & raced her sire, Cox's Ridge.
Mr. Anthony still races horses, under the name Shortleaf Stable....and still names most of them after places in Arkansas.
Re: Who is my Horse?
majxmom wrote:fliteKAT wrote:Any Ideas?
How reliable is the Pedigree Query website?
I have searched on many older horses and not had a hit on the pedigreequery website, so I wouldn't worry about that.
The Jockey Club cannot give you information on markings, so there won't be any help there. They can only research tattoos based on the letter and numbers that you provide. Being as the previous owner told you her name, I'd do as Madelyn suggested and look for the Q on her lip (Q is indeed 1987, I have 2 of them). It will be WAY over to the left side of the mouth as you are standing in front of the horse looking at the lip, and will look a lot like a zero or an O made by a dot-matrix printer. If you have a Q on the lip, I'd be convinced that this horse is the one the owner told you.
Actually, I believe, if you give the Jockey Club the name you believe the mare is, and the approximate age, they CAN look up all tatoos that may be related to that name (different years) and give you the number AND you can determine if any of the numbers correspond in the correct places. Of course you need to be willing to pay for the info. This may be WHY they won't "give" you any info.
Also, if any of the other foals are registered with other registries, they may have info on parentage. So, if above does not work, which it should, you may be able to find out via her previous foals