REALLY bad legs....? Sorry it's really long!

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REALLY bad legs....? Sorry it's really long!

Postby fort_falcon » Sun Jun 03, 2007 3:54 am

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Hope this works....anyways, these front legs belong to a 3 year old (will be 4 in August), unbroken gelding. He's 16'3hh and weighs in at 488Kg's. he's an orphan, and arrived in the yard about 2 months ago. When he arrived he was not even bridled. never had a bit in his mouth and the only amount of handling he had recieved was being led to and from the paddock and a bit of a brush.

So I started breaking him in, and within 2 weeks his suspensory ligament had begun to swell. so we backed off him, and now ive just started lunging him again and he's IMPOSSIBLE!!! He's had the saddle on, and is sort of okay with it, he'll be led around with the saddle no problem, but as soon as i ask him to tro he goes mad, the girth isn't too tight, and hes been checked by the physio, the chiro, and the vet and none of them can find anything wrong with him. I think he needs a psychologist. Anyways, after about 5 mins of cavorting around he settles down and lunges beautifully.

The big problem comes in where he simply refuses to have a rider on his back...so I thought, okay, no problem, and I used my "fake rider" it's just a pair of feed sacks tied together, with soft weights on each end - all in all it weighs about 35 kgs - i stood with him about 30mins, showing him the sack, and rubbing it all over his body and to begni with he was VERY nervous, jumping everytime it touched him, but eventually he seemed to settle down, s i got one of my grooms (who's taller than m) to slip the "rider" over his back...WELL...i have never in my life seen a horse lose the plot like this one did!!!! he went beserk, and was galloping and bucking and because of the weights the "rider" wasn't easy to get off...he finally stopped when he got his leg stuck between the railings of the round pen, and the "rider" slipped off"...the horse was heaving and panting, and he was so scared he was shaking...needless to say i felt AWFUL and just wanted to cry. I've tried everyhing with this horse....join up, sedation, tying down...and nothing works, and It's really upsetting because I've started hundreds of horses and yeah, some have taken longer than others, some have been more difficult and some have taken to the whole riding thing like fish o water...and I really dont know what else to do.

Aside from all that, with legs like those, is he eve going to hold up in training let alone get onto a racecourse?

i mean, maybe I've rushed him too quickly? but the fact is he's already been given so much time. His ground work is superb, he leads well, doesn't bite or kick or rear when being led, he easy to groom and handle and treat, and he's such a honeypie in the stable, but as soon as you try to get on his back he really does go mad.

ANY suggestions or advice would be most appreciated!!!
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Postby Rushtawin » Sun Jun 03, 2007 6:03 am

There are a lot of decent horses out there with far less than perfect conformation. It is very frustrating trying to figure out the best way to get a horse over one of their problems - especially when it's a horse whose background seems unknown from the sound of your post. Seeing as how no one came up with any fishy diagnosis, maybe he just doesn't feel balanced having the weight on his back and maybe that's what's scaring him? One of the horses I used to handle would go beserk with anything on this back until he developed his muscles enough to feel balanced with weight on his back.

IDK if that's what's going on here, but it's worth a thought. Is there any chance that the saddle might have a wrinkle in the leather or something that could be pinching him? Does he do that during free lounging or just while on the line? Sorry that I'm just throwing out a bunch of theories, seems to me you've likely considered them already by your choice of who to have out to eliminate a physical cause. At any rate, good luck and keep us posted!
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Postby madelyn » Sun Jun 03, 2007 7:46 am

Reserpine might help. You have three years of wildness built up there that is not going to be undone in two months. This horse sounds like he is at least three months away from qualifying as green broke. Sometimes when you've had a "run" of vey easy horses, a tough one can throw you for a loop.

The suspensory actually could have blown up because of his size and the lunging. I hope it was the suspensory on that right fore, which is the "bad" leg? Having not worked at all, and then working in circles, as big as he is, could be causing the problem. You could try long lining him. Otherwise, if it also blows up with straight work, you are wasting your time if he can't do a bit of trotting without going sore.

There is one other possibility. You mentioned he was an orphan.. what kind of delivery? What did the dam die from? He might have been one of those tough deliveries and the oxygen supply might have been compromised. He wouldn't show outward signs of dummy foal, but he might actually be a bit retarded.
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Postby fort_falcon » Sun Jun 03, 2007 9:31 am

Rushtawin: I'm not sure it's his balance, although you could be absolutely right, it's just then when he's lunging with the saddle on, and has got over his 5minute madness, then he works really well, he's got a good long stride and doesn't appear unbalanced, but I will watch him more carefully.
he's got quite a good topline And I'll take pics of his body so you can see for yourself....maybe I'm not seeing something.

Madelyn: It was the suspensory on the "good" leg...his near fore...which is bad coz it means he's compensating. As I said above, he's got really good movement, but wen you see him trotting, or even walking toward you that bad leg comes right under him it looks even worse than when he's standing.

Sometimes when you've had a "run" of vey easy horses, a tough one can throw you for a loop.


You're absolutely right, the last "difficult" horse i broke was last year already, but she wasn't even HALF as bad as this one!!!

I don't know the details of his birth, I know he was hand raised from birth, but when she actually died I'm not sure, but I will try to find out, I hadn't actually thought of that...so thanks for bringing it to my attention!!!
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Postby Gerry » Wed Jun 06, 2007 7:02 pm

I cant offer any advice as to his breaking but looking at his legs..I have a mare like that who earned over $85K and raced for 5 years...good luck getting the breaking done..sounds like he is going to keep you guessing.