Hi,
Would like to get input on selecting a stallion for next year for:
Willy's Lace - By Walter Willy, by Sadlers Wells/out of Licorice N Lace by Dimaggio.
She raced ok (several 2nds) , but chipped at 4 - best at a distance, and really comes from behind. Slow to mature.
Any thoughts would be appreciated.
Thanks!
Advice Wanted for Next Years Breeding
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I wouldn't spend much money on her.
With that said, in lower stud fee brackets, I really like her with Mingun. It gives you sex-balanced inbreeding to Special which has been huge, as well as Northern Dancer through two of his best (and closely related) sons, Sadler's Wells and Nureyev, and inbreeding to Bold Ruler through Secretariat and Bold Hitter.
I think Mingun will bring in more versatility and he was a better horse than he's been given credit for on the track. I have not seen him, but hear he has a few weak points confirmationally. I would check him out and see how the physical works with your mare.
With that said, in lower stud fee brackets, I really like her with Mingun. It gives you sex-balanced inbreeding to Special which has been huge, as well as Northern Dancer through two of his best (and closely related) sons, Sadler's Wells and Nureyev, and inbreeding to Bold Ruler through Secretariat and Bold Hitter.
I think Mingun will bring in more versatility and he was a better horse than he's been given credit for on the track. I have not seen him, but hear he has a few weak points confirmationally. I would check him out and see how the physical works with your mare.
Don't be so humble - you are not that great.
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Maven - want some mating advice free of charge? 
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Let me suggest a very cheap solution:
RUSSIAN CONNECTION (USA) b. H, 1995 DP = 8-4-29-0-1 (42) DI = 1.71 CD = 0.43
STANDING IN KY. @ FARES FARM, $1,000 - this DB says...
from the great MISS ALLEGED
by NUREYEV
this stallion was useless on the track, but his genealogic make-up lets us hope for something worthwhile.
Of course he grants a big apport of stamina.
Some pedigree gurus say that Sadler's wells + Nureyev = BOOM
Do you think the try is worth the fee?
RUSSIAN CONNECTION (USA) b. H, 1995 DP = 8-4-29-0-1 (42) DI = 1.71 CD = 0.43
STANDING IN KY. @ FARES FARM, $1,000 - this DB says...
from the great MISS ALLEGED
by NUREYEV
this stallion was useless on the track, but his genealogic make-up lets us hope for something worthwhile.
Of course he grants a big apport of stamina.
Some pedigree gurus say that Sadler's wells + Nureyev = BOOM
Do you think the try is worth the fee?
Repriced
Take a look at Darby Dans old guy Repriced with her. Should give you a turf baby to race but not sell. 5x5 Princequillo and Indian Hemp, an outcross for your mare. Repriced's babies are also late maturing so just don't fight the genes. Plan on a horse that will stay sound and be fun from 3 to 7 years.
Re: Advice Wanted for Next Years Breeding
hi Bloomer14
Slow to mature (you wrote)...best at a distance (you wrote)...really comes from behind (you wrote). If that's the case, why not inject some afterburners (into your mare) from a horse that actually matured and got the job done early (at the races)?
If you want to stay in Kentucky...two young stallion possibilities (for your mare) might be Cactus Ridge (advertised at $6,500 for 2007) and Zavata (advertised at $7,500 in 2007). Both have first-crops racing in 2007, so who knows what the future might bring? That said...they might be worth following and thinking about.
Their advertised stud fees might go up...their advertised studs fees might come down...their advertised stud fees might remain the same (for 2008) as they were in 2007. Whatever...there'll likely be deals to be made.
Fact is, both of these guys could kick it into gear and haul a*s...although Cactus Ridge proved he could carry it further (than Zavata). Cactus Ridge won the G3-Arlington Washington Futurity, at a mile. Zavata's longest winning distance was 6 1/2 furlongs...which he accomplished when he scored over Lone Star Sky in the G2 Saratoga Special. He also won Saratoga's G2- Amsterdam Stakes (as a 3-yo) over a field which included Posse and Trust n Luck...the winning time, 1:08 3/5.
For what it's worth, Zavata was one impressive, very handsome and mature-looking, WOW kind of two-year-old in training.
Best of luck.
Respectfully
Bloomer14 wrote:Would like to get input on selecting a stallion for next year for:
Willy's Lace - By Walter Willy, by Sadlers Wells/out of Licorice N Lace by Dimaggio.
She raced ok (several 2nds) , but chipped at 4 - best at a distance, and really comes from behind. Slow to mature.
Any thoughts would be appreciated.
Slow to mature (you wrote)...best at a distance (you wrote)...really comes from behind (you wrote). If that's the case, why not inject some afterburners (into your mare) from a horse that actually matured and got the job done early (at the races)?
If you want to stay in Kentucky...two young stallion possibilities (for your mare) might be Cactus Ridge (advertised at $6,500 for 2007) and Zavata (advertised at $7,500 in 2007). Both have first-crops racing in 2007, so who knows what the future might bring? That said...they might be worth following and thinking about.
Their advertised stud fees might go up...their advertised studs fees might come down...their advertised stud fees might remain the same (for 2008) as they were in 2007. Whatever...there'll likely be deals to be made.
Fact is, both of these guys could kick it into gear and haul a*s...although Cactus Ridge proved he could carry it further (than Zavata). Cactus Ridge won the G3-Arlington Washington Futurity, at a mile. Zavata's longest winning distance was 6 1/2 furlongs...which he accomplished when he scored over Lone Star Sky in the G2 Saratoga Special. He also won Saratoga's G2- Amsterdam Stakes (as a 3-yo) over a field which included Posse and Trust n Luck...the winning time, 1:08 3/5.
For what it's worth, Zavata was one impressive, very handsome and mature-looking, WOW kind of two-year-old in training.
Best of luck.
Respectfully
Not only is the horse unproven but he's unraced as well. The only thing going for him is that his sire will excite a few people.
Furthermore, I dont get that excited with Fit to Fight being the bms. The distaff line is good, but I wouldn't classify them as stallion producers either.
I wouldn't breed to this horse if he were free... and rest assured, he SHOULD be FREE!!!
Furthermore, I dont get that excited with Fit to Fight being the bms. The distaff line is good, but I wouldn't classify them as stallion producers either.
I wouldn't breed to this horse if he were free... and rest assured, he SHOULD be FREE!!!
Don't be so humble - you are not that great.
hi Bloomer14
Ideas? YES.
For starters...I believe it might be very wise to inject some SPEED into your mare. As for nick ratings...let's put that on the back burner for now.
Seems to me that you might do yourself, and your mare, some good by breeding her to a well thought-out selection that's either, A/ a proven racehorse-sire (regardless his racing ability or lack therof), or B/ a young stallion that had speed and was a stakes-winner (at the very least). Whether A or B, arguably it's in your (and your mare's) best interest to select a stallion/proven-sire that offers qualities/strengths that more likely than not, will enhance your mare's chances to produce a good (or better) racehorse (after all, that's your ultimate goal isn't it?)
If you don't have a stallion/proven-sire in mind (that meets/surpasses criteria)...it might help you in the selection process, if you consider (among other things) the following suggestions...
1/ Create a working list, for yourself, of stakes-winning young stallions and proven-sires (regardless their exploits [or lack thereof] as racehorses), a/ that stand in the state/locale/vicinity where you intend to breed, b/ whose stud fees do not exceed what you're willing to spend, and c/ that possess pedigrees that you like, etc.
2/ Inspect the stallions/proven-sires (on your working list) that met the criteria referenced in #1a, 1b and 1c above, and evaluate their strengths and weaknesses, including their accomplishmnets (or lack therof) etc... while keeping in mind a goal, to create a shorter-list of stallions/proven-sires that might best enhance your mare's chances to produce the best racehorse she can.
3/ With your mare's strengths and weaknesses in mind...delete (from your working list) the names of the stallions/proven-sires that didn't inspect and/or evaluate (as suggested in #2) to your satisfaction...thus shortening the list.
4/ With your newly edited short-list in hand...now might be the time to get the nicks, if you'd like.
5/ While contemplating your final decision/selection...I suggest that you don't lose sight of your stated goal, that "The foal will not be for sale - we will keep and run."
Whatever your final selection...I recommend that injecting speed might be in your (and the prospective foal's) best interest.
Respectfully
Bloomer14 wrote:What about this:
Ten Centuries (Dubai Millennium x Ten Centuries) as a prospect for Willy's Lace (Walter Willy x Licorice N Lace)?
I was looking through some of your suggestions, and found this guy,
Nick Rating of A++.
Any Ideas?????
Ideas? YES.
For starters...I believe it might be very wise to inject some SPEED into your mare. As for nick ratings...let's put that on the back burner for now.
Seems to me that you might do yourself, and your mare, some good by breeding her to a well thought-out selection that's either, A/ a proven racehorse-sire (regardless his racing ability or lack therof), or B/ a young stallion that had speed and was a stakes-winner (at the very least). Whether A or B, arguably it's in your (and your mare's) best interest to select a stallion/proven-sire that offers qualities/strengths that more likely than not, will enhance your mare's chances to produce a good (or better) racehorse (after all, that's your ultimate goal isn't it?)
If you don't have a stallion/proven-sire in mind (that meets/surpasses criteria)...it might help you in the selection process, if you consider (among other things) the following suggestions...
1/ Create a working list, for yourself, of stakes-winning young stallions and proven-sires (regardless their exploits [or lack thereof] as racehorses), a/ that stand in the state/locale/vicinity where you intend to breed, b/ whose stud fees do not exceed what you're willing to spend, and c/ that possess pedigrees that you like, etc.
2/ Inspect the stallions/proven-sires (on your working list) that met the criteria referenced in #1a, 1b and 1c above, and evaluate their strengths and weaknesses, including their accomplishmnets (or lack therof) etc... while keeping in mind a goal, to create a shorter-list of stallions/proven-sires that might best enhance your mare's chances to produce the best racehorse she can.
3/ With your mare's strengths and weaknesses in mind...delete (from your working list) the names of the stallions/proven-sires that didn't inspect and/or evaluate (as suggested in #2) to your satisfaction...thus shortening the list.
4/ With your newly edited short-list in hand...now might be the time to get the nicks, if you'd like.
5/ While contemplating your final decision/selection...I suggest that you don't lose sight of your stated goal, that "The foal will not be for sale - we will keep and run."
Whatever your final selection...I recommend that injecting speed might be in your (and the prospective foal's) best interest.
Respectfully
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