Cobra Kai till I die

[Playwithfire]

http://www.drf.com/news/article/86373.html

Biancone's vet better start writing some hit records soon or reforming "Faces", cause he won't be dishin' out the venom much longer i don't suppose.

[Foggytrip]

Since when is it illegal to store viles of cobra venom in your barn?

[MizzenMast]

St Johns Wort to keep the horses spirits up? Ritalin for the hyper mental cases? Lasix is so 1970s.

[oliverstoned]

Time to try out new nick names for this p.o.s.

The Snake Charmer
The Cobra King
The Surrender Snake
Eurocheater

Seriously though this is the worst of the worst because you could kill people and horses this way.

[pfrsue]

Since when is it illegal to store viles of cobra venom in your barn?

Excerpted from The Blood Horse:

In late June, two Standardbred trainers admitted they injected a horse with cobra venom at Saratoga Gaming and Raceway last October. They pleaded guilty to the charges, the conviction on which allows the New York State Racing and Wagering Board to revoke their licenses.

There were no previous convictions in the United States for use of snake venom, which under the Association of Racing Commissioners International drug classifications is listed as a Class II substance--one with the ability to impact performance and affect the outcome of a race. Snake venom is a nerve-blocking agent.

Snake venom falls under RCI guidelines that say “possession and/or use of a drug, substance, or medication on the premises of a facility under the jurisdiction of the regulatory body that has not been approved by the United States Food and Drug Administration for use in the United States” is considered a prohibited practice, as is blood-doping. Snake venom isn’t FDA-approved.

[Sysonby]

Since when is it illegal to store viles of cobra venom in your barn?

You're kidding right?

[Foggytrip]

What do you think?

[KAL]

Foggy... I'm going sarcasm route.

I laughed as soon as I read your post. Unfortunately, I have followed your posts some and realize you are fairly well connected, or at least very well versed, thus the "leap of faith" to you being sarcastic. I'm not so sure others could have made the distinction.

For all those Euro-plaudits that insist that drug use is a North American problem, let this serve notice. It is supposed by many that it is in some top European barns that the very cutting edge chemistry is being used. If not in races, definitely in training.

This snake venom stuff was supposedly a Cali- thing for a while, did anything come of that investigation? I honestly cannot remember.

We've got to start testing all critters... all sales horses, random horses during training, and of course be more thorough with the racing critters. Doubt if it will ever happen... too many strong vested interests... but for long-term good, it is needed.

[Rokeby Forever]

Just a side note - why is it that whenever the cancer has spread throughout the body, the doctor is called in?

Why does it always take a headline to get something done? Nothing is ever done as "preventative medicine." Look at what's done with babies at sales - and it's first NOW that an "ethics board" is looking into sales practices? Geesh!

[Foggytrip]

Kal I was just kidding around as you know

Amazing someone would be stupid enough to keep it at their barn

[Playwithfire]

1 year suspension, See-ya Patty. Unfortunately appeals will allow him to race in Breeders CUp probably.

http://www.drf.com/news/article/89147.html

[jacksontyger]

What a joke! 1 year? It should have been a lifetime ban for the parasite on our industry. Everything wrong in horseracing is summed up in Biacone. Cole Norman gets 6 months for milkshaking and Biancone only gets a year for Cobra Venom. Geez. Both are bad but Cobra Venom? He could have killed someone or several using that stuff.

[Heidilady]

I don't see what's wrong with having a certain number of random tests everyday, assigning every horse at a track or at a sale a number, and just pulling a few numbered balls out of a container or whatever. As long as they find a way to keep them on their toes in a timely fashion. The cost of doing that outweighs the cost to the sport in integrity capital. We're definitely in the red as far as the general public's concerned.

Question, for them what are in the know, what trainers if any do you feel are shining examples of *gasp* class and honesty? I mean if I didn't want a horse milkshaked or venomed would the trainers in these situations look me in the eye, go 'yeah yeah sure, no doping' and do it behind my back? Or do the owners wink right back at them 9 times out of 10? I assume many owners know and don't care but really what do you have to do around here to get a trainer with a spine and a scrupulous vet?

[madelyn]

I don't see what's wrong with having a certain number of random tests everyday, assigning every horse at a track or at a sale a number, and just pulling a few numbered balls out of a container or whatever. As long as they find a way to keep them on their toes in a timely fashion. The cost of doing that outweighs the cost to the sport in integrity capital. We're definitely in the red as far as the general public's concerned.

Question, for them what are in the know, what trainers if any do you feel are shining examples of *gasp* class and honesty? I mean if I didn't want a horse milkshaked or venomed would the trainers in these situations look me in the eye, go 'yeah yeah sure, no doping' and do it behind my back? Or do the owners wink right back at them 9 times out of 10? I assume many owners know and don't care but really what do you have to do around here to get a trainer with a spine and a scrupulous vet?

Lose races. No, seriously. There are no HayOatsNWater trainers in the big league. On the other hand, there are trainers that use legitimate therapeutic aids to help a horse get through training. It would be a case of listening with your eyes. Go hang around. Look in the tackroom.

[winds]

I think H.Allen Jerkens is a hay, oats and water kind of trainer.

winds