Fees for Invasor and Jazil posted

[bdw0617]

Sheikh Hamdan's Invasor, last year's Horse of the Year and champion older male, will begin his stallion career for a fee of $35,000 live foal in 2008. He was retired from racing earlier this year and will stand at Shadwell Farm near Lexington.

Invasor, an Argentine-bred son of Candy Stripes out of the Interprete mare Quendom, was a Horse of the Year and Triple Crown winner in Uruguay before his arrival in the U.S. In his last start, he won the Emirates Airline Dubai World Cup (UAE-I) in March. He enters stud with earnings of $7,804,070.

Sheikh Hamdan's Jazil, last year's Belmont Stakes (gr. I) winner who recently was retired from racing, will enter stud at Shadwell for $12,500 live foal. Jazil (Seeking the Gold--Better Than Honour, by Deputy Minister) retired with earnings of $890,532.

http://breeding.bloodhorse.com/viewstory.asp?id=40659

not very far off by everyone on this board. I thought Invasor might be about 10k higher.. but everyone seemed spot on saying Jazil was a 10k sire.

I'm all in on Jazil for 12k. espically if you have a speed favoring mare with a matching pedigree that can get a mile.

[Maven]

Jazil didn't have much speed but I think he has a very workable pedigree.

Invasor is still an enigma for me. He'll be one I stay away from until he proves me wrong. 35k should make him pretty commercial though. Jazil will be dead at the sales.

[bdw0617]

i'm sure he will be. but I would bred to him in a heartbeat

[majxmom]

I think that is a fair introductory price for Invasor, although I really don't expect him to become a great sire, and I do expect the fee to drop. One might expect that a Horse of the Year would command more, but it is sort of like Tiznow or Candy Ride. Very accomplished horses without the fashion pedigree.

Jazil's fee seems to be a little high. It is a dazzling female family for distance, but hardly anyone breeds for that any more. I think he would attract more with $10k.

[Maven]

Ehh, they can claim his dam has the best filly in x amount of years and her half-sister has produced the top European three year old filly as well. And Peeping Fawn actually is quite quick.

His biggest problem is going to be his size and the perception he is slow, not that i'm saying he was fast.

On the plus side, El Gran Senor is a name still familiar and respected by US breeders and this family has produced very good stallions, including one of Australia's current best in Redoute's Choice.

[kimberley mine]

I'm probably the only one around who thinks that's a very ambitious price for Invasor, even given his accomplishments. $15-25k would have been a better price point for him, especially the MUCH better bred (and from a major Euro sirepower family) Leroidesanimaux is standing for $10k less.

Don't get me wrong, I think he was an amazing runner...but I just don't see him providing value at $35k.

[Maven]

I thought he'd be about where he's at, but I also wouldn't pay that for him even IF I liked him as a stallion.

Leroi is on my must-breed to list next year and is, in my opinion, the surest of the S. American boys to make it here.

[BenB]

If I was in the position, I should sent my filly right away to Invasor without
a tear and a glimp as I do like stamina an awfull lot.

[bdw0617]

if you like staima, how can you like Invasor at 35k and not like Jazil at 12k with a more proven female family?

[Rokeby Forever]

It's hard to believe that Jazil is starting off as high as some of the better Seeking The Gold sons out there. Plus, he's a small horse - that's going to DEFINITELY work against him.

I'm with Maven on Invasor...Candy Stripes was a complete Taylor Made disaster, but let's wait and see...maybe Candy Stripes being a generation further back in the pedigree will work for Invasor. Or...maybe Juan Valdez will be stocked with all the burros he wants.

[Maven]

All the Seeking the Gold's are either small or throw small. Trait of the old man.

What fee would you like to see for Jazil?

To me, 10k and 12.5k are essentially the same fee and if you work them hard enough, they'll almost certainly drop down to 10 for you. He's a Classic winner with one of the best female families ever who will have two champions this year added to their credentials.

Of course there's a lot to be desired from his record, but at this price, you're going to get either no pedigree or no record... he's a good medium.

[bdw0617]

All the Seeking the Gold's are either small or throw small. Trait of the old man.

What fee would you like to see for Jazil?

To me, 10k and 12.5k are essentially the same fee and if you work them hard enough, they'll almost certainly drop down to 10 for you. He's a Classic winner with one of the best female families ever who will have two champions this year added to their credentials.

Of course there's a lot to be desired from his record, but at this price, you're going to get either no pedigree or no record... he's a good medium.

If you had to write a 3 mile race, jazil would be in the entry box. can run for days.

I perfer smaller horses.. Rahy, Sadlers Wells as I aid is not huge by any strech of the imagination... I would imagine that smaller horses make it easier on the legs and they are lighter, less injuries/more sounder

every horse doesn't have to look like War Admerial

for 35k per 12.5k i'm with you maven.. it's just too much work and then still too much a crap shot for Invasor. I love the horse, but once you get past the South American bloodlines, you have then to worry about is he even a good stallion anyway. Jazil's family has proven to be a top class one.




His fee? ahh... 15 would be the highest I'd go.. but I'm all in at 12.5.

and I don't get so caught up over records... he had no chance of beating Barbaro when he raced, when he went head to head vs. Corinthian he would have needed a mile and a half to beat him.
but he's a Grade 1 caliber horse who has every right to pass his traits on, that's all you can ask for.

[TomFool]

Actually War Admiral was not a very big horse. It just made the movie better I suppose that his stature was large as well. I agree on liking smaller horses overall as racehorses but the yearling market def does not. If they are good enough they make it anyway Rahy, Forest Wildcat etc but they really have a hard start. Jazil is going to have it very difficult time with his size many will never give him another look. Me and many others will cull him based on his lack of speed and overall ability and then whoever is left many will not because he stands at Shadwell. Maven, bdw etc I didnt mean any disrespect in your stallion selection at all its just that these posts all started to sound like by everyone that a stallion prospect has to come from a big sire producing family & excluding a horse with the talent of Ghostzapper just based on this one thing I thought was very silly & or thinking a horse with the ability of Jazil can make it just because of his family.

[Rokeby Forever]

I'd feel better if Jazil had Hail To Reason somewhere in his family.

[Maven]

Actually War Admiral was not a very big horse. It just made the movie better I suppose that his stature was large as well. I agree on liking smaller horses overall as racehorses but the yearling market def does not. If they are good enough they make it anyway Rahy, Forest Wildcat etc but they really have a hard start. Jazil is going to have it very difficult time with his size many will never give him another look. Me and many others will cull him based on his lack of speed and overall ability and then whoever is left many will not because he stands at Shadwell. Maven, bdw etc I didnt mean any disrespect in your stallion selection at all its just that these posts all started to sound like by everyone that a stallion prospect has to come from a big sire producing family & excluding a horse with the talent of Ghostzapper just based on this one thing I thought was very silly & or thinking a horse with the ability of Jazil can make it just because of his family.

For what it's worth, we bred to Ghostzapper his initial season. I without question focus on female family, but I do try to even it out with conformation, speed, and record. Obviously, Ghostzapper was a complete commercial play out of our BC winner... same with another G1 winner who we sent to Giant's Causeway.