Stud fees

[jacksontyger]

The first for 2008 have come out. Stevie Wonderboy 17.5K Stonewall stallions of interest: Medaglia d'oro 40K and LeRoy 17.5 down from 25K last year. I sort of thought Medaglia d'oro (120K average and 70K median) would come down in a bubble year. Any thoguhts? JT

[bdw0617]

1. when do leroi's offspring hit the track? I'm anxious to see how they look. I liked him... lol, actually I just liked his name.. very unique. but very good pedigree

2. I'm surprised Steviewonderboy got even 17.5 for a stud fee. What was Mucho Uno's stud fee when he first went to stud? Not the best pedigree and not the soundest horse I've ever seen and that's putting it lightly.

[TomFool]

The Leroy babies I saw this year all were very nice & I would not just think of them as turf horses as he has that very bulky quarterhorse look & he is from the best female family in the world & had real deal ability he could throw anything. I like this horse alot.

[bdw0617]

he is from the best female family in the world

is he really? someone else said that

[bdw0617]

lol, i actually figured out how to spell his name to look at his pedigree.. my gosh. you are right. he's worth sending 2 a year to just to try to get a filly.

[Maven]

The Kerali clan is the best European family, in my opinion and a top 10 in the world family in my book. And I'm sending a Siberian Express mare out of a Brazilian branch of Frizette to him who's already got a 6 figure winner to Candy Stripes. A filly is what I'm praying for.

[jacksontyger]

LeRoy's oldest babes are weanlings. Macho Uno started at 12.5K I think. I agree about Stevie Wonderboy at 17.5K might be high. I actually thought fees would come down this year. The Keeneland sale went well yet alot of folks lost money trying to raise foals. Look at the medians and very few stallions produced a profit. Many analysts have suggested stud fees are too high. I went to several stud farms that hinted fees were coming down. They were already offering deals on their studs. The drop at the top of the sales could cause a lowering of fees at the top which could cause a ripple affect. I have heard Darley is really treating people well with some deals and that could also spread to other farms. JT

[Tesio]

Macho Uno was $15K initially, I believe. I do love the foals he throws, saw some real nice fillies at Keeneland. At $12.5K could be good value. Leroy is intriguing at the new fee, I have a Danehill mare that would be perfect for him (I hope). It is his third year at stud so a gamble to go there. Stevie might attract more attention at $10K or $12.5K, I just think he is out of a lot of folks mind having been away so long.

[Maven]

Leroi is such a "cant miss" for me. His daughters will be worth their weight in gold and if Dansili is any indication, this family is going to throw some major stallions.

[Tesio]

I also feel good about Leroy's ability to sire quality. The only issue for me is will the market see him as a strictly "turf" stallion. I guess the artificial surfaces could help but, as we know, the American buyers don't like to pay for grass runners. Now if the US $ stays where it is, the Europeans and Asians might come calling the next few years in a big way. If breeding to him from a commercial standpoint, this could help ALOT.

[jacksontyger]

I also like Leroy but can't say it makes commercial sense at this point. He had 10 in foal mares average 31K last year at the sales and 1 go for 22K this year. Not exactly a warm reception. I like him as a breed to race turf sire but not from a commercial standpoint. Forest Camp's exile is interesting. He started out well and went to 25K fee and pop next thing he is headed to Korea. JT

[Pacific Classic]

Light on pedigree and unsound? Macho Uno won graded stakes from 2 to 4 - was 2-year-old Champion and retired with over $1.8 million in earnings. He is out of a Broodmare of the Year, by a Horse of the Year and this for a $12,500 stud fee? Not just any horse is handed these honors. They are earned the hard way. Check the stallion registers and find another horse that meets these standards for that kind of money. I'd like to know about them.

[bdw0617]

and the sad part is.. he really ISN'T LIGHT ON PEDIGREE. if you like Awesome Again, you should like Mucho Uno

Giacomo hadn't won the KD yet when Macho Uno went to stud. Flashy Bull hadn't done what he has done yet. Holy Bull at that time was pretty uncommercial.

didn't matter that he won almost 2 mil didn't matter. didn't matter that he's a half brother to awesome again his family has produced runners time and time again over the last 20 years.


if you were smart enough to get a piece of the pie.. kudos.. his fee will not be 12.5 much longer and will probably be the one that carries the holy bull/great above line to feature generations.


and as far as horses, what is there NOT to like about? he can run all day. he's durable. and he's GRAY!!!

[Pacific Classic]

"What was Mucho Uno's stud fee when he first went to stud? Not the best pedigree and not the soundest horse I've ever seen and that's putting it lightly."

Now I'm confused. bdw - you were the one who said this the other day. That statement was the reason I posted here - that was my first - this will probably be my last.

In politics, I think they call this flip-flopping.

[bdw0617]

I did flip flop. you have to consider, I was half way around the world when this horse was racing in America. that and the fact that well.. he was standing in florida, I never really bothered to look at his pedigree at least on the female side. I didn't find out more about him until I was researching zanjero recently, as they are from the same family.

however with that said.. if I were here 3 years ago, there was no way I would have missed him like that. I had no reason TO know of his female pedigree