First stakes winner for SAY FLORIDA SANDY

[BargainBlueblood]

Say Toba Sandy scores an impressive upset win in the $50,000 Finger Lakes Juvenile Fillies (an open stakes race) in a nice field of nine! Remind me again why everyone says he's not "commercial." Woohoo!

http://www.drf.com/news/article/89423.html

[springboro]

you may be confusing successful and commercial. How have his foals been selling? That's the gauge for commercial. Success at the track CAN increase commerical appeal.

[Gerry]

Mike, I was truly hoping she would run 2nd since Jovanna is a 1/2 to our mare Sonata Gold but it was a dang good race! 1 winner, 1 stakes winner...heres to many more

[nythoroughbredvz]

wish I would have breed at least one mare to him! every time I look through the stallion register at photos of stallions I still think that he has the Classic look of stallions long past! almost every stallion page could be a add for a quarter horse stallion. they dont look like they use to! that would be a good post! what stallion do you feel has the look of a Classic thoroughbred stallion?

Congrats to anyone involved with SFS i think he will be #1 in NY very soon!

[merse]

Okay, what gives here? I think as breeders we all complain about the fragility of the modern thoroughbred. When a horse shows promise and retires after their two- or three-year-old season, we all complain about the owners for not letting them run on. If a horse races a large number of races at four and five, we say that they are "plodders" that run a distance and that "American racing is all about sprinting."

At SEVEN (let me repeat that), at seven, Say Florida Sandy was running (and winning) six furlongs in Grade 2 company in 1:08 and change! He won almost a quarter million dollars and THREE Stakes races at two! His sire is a Grade 1, winning full brother to Personal Ensign!

Why aren't we all jumping on the bandwagon? Oh, I know - because we have to breed to that two-year-old sensation that just won the Bippity-Bop Stakes but was retired due to an injury...

The Emperor is surely wearing no clothes...!

[TBLADY]

MERSE...lmao yeah I agree.
Sandy is an awesome looking animal...more so then his race record shows in all honesty.

He has an odd pedigree but its obviously WORKED for him in NY and the surrounding areas. the NY market is very tough...I have been breeding in NY the last 3 seasons and have looked elsewhere for my breeding program. If Sandy were in another state he might be better received...causee its a give me the EMPIRE states not intersted in him....not in the breeidng shed nor the sales ring. he has only a few runnings on the track and has not only his first winner but his first stakes winner! GO SANDY!

[el camino]

The breeders supported his first book but his first crop tanked at the sales. Honestly, as a group they were bad looking. Conformation and condition. I don't know if alot of them came off the same farm or not??? Buyers of NY bred yearlings are either trainers buying for end use clients or Florida pin-hookers. These buyers do not have the pedigree knowledge that you folks have and are looking from a different perspective. They want a stallion with commercial appeal, enough page to show potential and excellent physicals. With out the physical end they are not going to pay alot for a nice paper pedigree. They deal with horses not paper pedigrees. If his first crop looked better he could have been commercial, as much as Hook and Ladder or at least Mayakovsky. They are both freshman based in NY but they produced better physicals. Now he needs major major racetrack performance to catch up.

[CurrentlyRed]

I don't know if alot of them came off the same farm or not???

I've heard many did come from 1 or maybe 2 farms. Hopefully, some will grow out of it & help this sire along.

They [buyers] want a stallion with commercial appeal

I still think no matter how promising a new regional sire looks physically, on paper & in his own race record, other than a 'first yearling crop' bump that Say Florida Sandy sadly did NOT get, it's on the stallion's connections to support him with good mares & with getting his offspring all the way to the track. Again, here's hoping this guy gets the support he needs.

[nythoroughbredvz]

out of any new stallion out there I still feel he could be a prominent sire! they deffinatelly need to get him good mares and bring them along..

[TBLADY]

how many of thoses hook and ladder foals were bought back by the stallion farms connections in the form of any of there GAZILLION names and cover names?

They did the same thing with Good and Tough, and Freud. There arent nearly as many $100,000 ++++ weanlings and yearlings now that they arent running the bids up.

[el camino]

What I found interesting was that they didn't do it much this year with Read the Footnotes. The big seller at FTN looked like a fake but they did not stir the drink like previous years.

[TBLADY]

eL You are so right....very deceiving! I have bred to Freud for 3 seasons. This past yr also bred to Readthefootnotes and Ten Most Wanted.

I have 2 mares to RTFN and one to TMW all with very nice pages. Good thing I will be dropping them in Pa and KY and not in NY.

[nythoroughbredvz]

I also agree, there are to much politics and stallion buffing by the owners and farms in NY. they seem hot the first few years then they end up tossing them to the side and start all over again! I live in NY but mine are dropping in PA also.. I think there is much more honnesty to be found there and people who love horses and keep the sport real. Especially when it comes to breeding!

[el camino]

Hey, Hey, Now, I live in NY and I am honest. I don't think the marketing scheme of that farm is unique to them, although they maybe the only to do it in NY, atleast to that extreme. You guys have very interesting breeding strategies. Breeding to NY stallions and foaling else where, you must be breeding to race?

[nythoroughbredvz]

I didnt say everyone is dishonnest in NY. I have been here my entire life also! but I feel they launder each other's money! hey you buy 3 of my yearlings for a combined total of 1,000,000 & I will buy 4 of yours for a total of 1,000,000. you will have 1 less to wory about, and buisness will be good to us! then we will breed a hundred mares so they seem comercial and hopefully get some stakes horses to make them look good! ever notice who the breeders are for the majority of the winners for a certain farm in NY? Tell me why a stallion farm wont keep outside mares, and they have your mare sent 1 1/2-2 hours north to a farm to handle the care and breeding of your mare for them? shouldnt there be a farm doing the same in that area? I had this happen without looking to see where each was located. (my fault) just not something i expected...then to get a few 250.00 shipping bill's to take your mare to the stallion, 2-3 times for one mare! and then get your mare back looking like she is a add for PETA. They was each others hands and could care less about the small breeder. I have met some great people in NY! Mill Ridge farm is a possitive for NY! Al Martin at Tommorrows Bloodstock took excellent care of my mare and foal! but I have had bad luck with a prominent farm in NY and the people they deal with, and for myself I'm better off foaling in PA. But this thread is about Say Florida Sandy, who i hope dominates the NY stallion list in the near future!