Would anyone care to comment on this mare's pedigree?

[shygirl]

Thank you for your thoughts!

http://www.pedigreequery.com/veni+visa

[casallc]

Thank you for your thoughts!

http://www.pedigreequery.com/veni+visa

She's got a nice 2nd and 3rd Dam, other than that, I'm underwhelmed.

[barnchick]

Could you post her race record , I love a horse that runs so hard and honest. Now you've peaked my interest. Is it really 113? What's she like, I take it you have her. Pedigree may underwelm, but c'mon, she's a runner. Give that girl a bag o'mints!

[Karie]

1991 Veni Visa,B,f,Imperial Falcon 10 113 13 20 18 174,497 ( 82) 0.83
North America 2 YO Record 1 0 0 0 0 ( 48)
North America Turf Record 9 0 2 0 5,846 ( 78)
North America Dirt Sprints 55 4 6 11 46,709 ( 82)
North America Dirt Routes 49 9 12 7 121,942 ( 81)
North America Muddy/Sloppy 12 0 4 1 9,068 ( 77)
DP = 11-3-20-2-4 DI = 1.50 CD = 0.38 AWD = 7.77
At 3 3rd Center Stage Anne S. (R) (N) (10,600)

[majxmom]

Imperial Falcon was a horse who was a great disappointment. A gorgeous yearling, he sold for millions, around 4-8 million as I recall, but only won a couple of cheap races. As one might expect, he was then a flop at stud as well. It seems like no matter how good the pedigree is, the great stallions come from the Grade 1 winners (or at least horses who would have been bfore they were hurt), and the claimers are duds. But the blood of a great many good horses are in this pedigree. Ballade was a great dam, producing Devil's Bag, Glorious Song, and Saint Ballado. I think that Saint Ballado was about to become the next Storm Cat if he hadn't died young.

[habitat]

hello Shygirl.

I think this mare could be approved for many stallions at various stud fees. Her age is the only negative that would probably keep me from doing anything with her unless it was important to me to carry her pedigree forward another generation. There are worse mares being shopped around for sure.

Welcome to the forum and change your handle to BoldGirl!

[Roger]

In Texas, your mare would be considered very well bred. You have so many individuals that you could line breed to up close. She might need a fast miler to improve all that stamina some. Just guessing, she was a plodder (one lick)and that is not bad just descriptive of a running style. Breed back into the 2nd remove.

[louis finochio]

This mare has 10 crosses of NP & 6 crosses of PH=soundness to the max.

Congrats for holding on to her, as those fashion breeders would have culled her before the end of her career. Long live those NP sire lines, as they our golden.

[Jessi P]

I, for one, have loved Imperial Falcon for years, and really like him as a broodie sire. Nice mare. VERY nice racehorse. And she won most of her $/races going a route of ground which gives you some flexibility when choosing a stallion.

[KBEquine]

I almost posted on the other bulletin board - there are things I really like about her, both as an individual & as a match with one of our stallions here in Pennsylvania. And I agree with Jessi P - the fact she routes makes her more attractive to me, too. And since we breed for soundness & hope for long careers rather than the 2 y.o. market, those 113 starts is a huge plus [but in our herd, she's still in 3rd place for # of starts behind a stallion with 135 & a mare with 133].

I recollect she had at least 1 foal - has she had more than that?

[Strategic Maneuver]

I like her and the fact she raced so long. Soundness is hard to come by these days. And don't let her age discourage you. If she is in good shape go ahead and breed her if you want. I have a mare that was 23 when she produced a filly who won over 100K and blk type. The mare is 30 now and still well loved yard art.

[smeehan]

We also have an Imperial Falcon broodmare who surpassed $100k in earnings. She has proven to be a useful broodmare and has passed on her soundness to her foals. It sounds like the mare in question could pass on her soundness to her progeny too, and I love the close up, older bloodlines on her bottom side.

[shygirl]

Thank you everyone for your responses. My knowledge of pedigrees is pretty much limited to "Uh, yeah, I've seen that name before..." Visa actually belongs to a friend of mine, and has for the past 8 or 9 years.

For those who asked, yes, Visa is a nice mare in person. Easy to handle, very healthy, no vices, still sound, gets along fine in a group turnout. She is a beautiful sight in the pasture - she loves to run. She was easy to breed, had no problems with pregnancy or delivery (she actually foaled in my barn), was a great mom to her one baby. Sadly, her filly had an accident in her first race and had to be euthanized.

Now my friend is retiring, selling her farm, and asked me to help her find a good home for Visa. I'm looking into adoption options for the mare but, given her performance, I was also wondering if she might be of value to a breeder. Part of me is tempted to take her myself (to ride, not breed), but I do have a lot of responsibilities already, so I probably shouldn’t give in to that idea!

So has anyone out there been in a similar situation? If you give a horse away, what do you do to know that you’ve done your best to insure that the horse will always be well-treated?

PS Habitat – thanks for making me smile – I really did have to kind of “work myself up” to posting anything on a public forum.

[Roger]

We have thread like this going on the www.texasthoroughbred.com/forum site. The mare is Dances Lyph. She has an ordinary pedigree at first site and she has thrown two stakes winners. The question was how is she getting these stakes winners with her pedigree and race record? I would like your opinions.

[winds]

I for one love her pedigree, she's by a Northern Dancer stallion and out of a His Majesty mare. I love that she's hard knocking and has black type being stake placed, I don't care that it's not graded, she tries, is durable and loves to run. That will be passed on to her foals.

She's what I look for in a mare. I guess I just used to the breed to run mentality, keep costs at a minimum, but don't skimp on pedigree. I'm not looking to make a stallion, I'm looking to make a racehorse that will bring home a check just about every time they run.

winds