North Light

Rahy85 · Postby **Rahy85** » Wed Apr 02, 2008 5:56 pm

Any thoughts on North Light? Specifically, has there ever been a 10-12 furlong grass specialist ever make it in this country?

Anyone seen any of his foals? I noticed the only ones to sell well at Keeneland went to European buyers.

My initial thought is that he's in the wrong market. Anyone else agree or disagree?

Danzig · Postby **Danzig** » Wed Apr 02, 2008 9:25 pm

Theatrical.

wallinga · Postby **wallinga** » Wed Apr 02, 2008 10:10 pm

oh well good luck to them. Probably would have suffered with all the competition in Europe.

Danzig · Postby **Danzig** » Thu Apr 03, 2008 8:23 am

Jestic....RFLMAO

amanda1 · Postby **amanda1** » Thu Apr 03, 2008 9:25 am

Haven't seen him yet but we have a new colt on the ground by North Light, out of a Dynaformer mare. The farm sayd he is the biggest, nicest foral they have had this year, but maybe they tell all the owners that!!!!

Dubai-Millennium · Postby **Dubai-Millennium** » Sat Apr 12, 2008 1:45 pm

i hope hes gonna get some chances ...
so well bred -
there are not that much stallion by danehill in the states?

geowarrior · Postby **geowarrior** » Sat Apr 12, 2008 4:00 pm

I think you have to think about new turf sires in a new light (excuse the pun) because high end turf sires are going to be far more attractive now that the BC has so many more turf opportunities. That's going to generate a trickle down effect to other tracks who will be adding more preps (particularly with the 'win and you're in' incentives). I think some tracks with nice turf courses but relatively small handles and low numbers of race dates might try to get in on this. All of this says to me that adding a high end turf sire to the mix today is not as strange as business move as it might have seemed, say, five years ago.

English Channel apparently has a full book - so there are some turfy breeders out there and I'm sure some of them will start to look at more Euro style pedigrees.

London · Postby **London** » Sat Apr 12, 2008 4:39 pm

Good foals from proven turf stallions are also selling quite well if this past Keeneland sale was any indication. Cozzene had some big hips.

geowarrior · Postby **geowarrior** » Sat Apr 12, 2008 6:00 pm

I hadn't noticed that, London, thanks for pointing it out. Cozzene, what a good sire.

Joltman · Postby **Joltman** » Sun Apr 13, 2008 6:03 pm

geowarrior wrote:I think you have to think about new turf sires in a new light (excuse the pun) because high end turf sires are going to be far more attractive now... .

Not only the obvious turf opportunities, but with the possible affinity of turf horses for all weather, new AW sires may come from these turf lines.

jm

larrygene · Postby **larrygene** » Mon Apr 14, 2008 6:31 am

I honestly believe I have the best bred son of Cozzene in the country. His name is Counter Punch and I'll put his pedigree up against any son of Cozzene out there. His bottom side is as strong or stronger than his top. Granted he didn't win a lot of money but part of that was my fault. I ran him long and now I look back and think he should have gone 7F or less. He will have 2 yr olds running next year and right now they look the part. I also think they should run on dirt, turf and poly tracks. JMO

DDT · Postby **DDT** » Mon Apr 14, 2008 8:05 am

larrygene

I would think that Alphabet Soup gives Counter Punch a run for his money in the pedigree department and maybe Mizzen Mast also. There are some nice runners in Counter Punch's family, I'll give you that, but with a record of 2 for 32, even if running long was error on your part, his racing ability was limited. I wish you luck with him, but I disagree with your opinion as to the best bred son of Cozzene out there.

DDT

London · Postby **London** » Mon Apr 14, 2008 9:11 am

Counter Punch has a significant family, but in my opinion, I agree with Mizzen Mast being superior in that dam line.

larrygene · Postby **larrygene** » Mon Apr 14, 2008 10:44 am

DDT & London, I wasn't comparing race records which is obvious AS and MM have better records. But when you compare the number of chefs and the number of reines Counter Punch has in his first 4 generations, he is as good or better than either AS and MM. And that's with Storm Cat not being given a chef designation yet. His dam has produced 2 2yr old stakes winners, one graded.

I've been in this game 30 years and I certainly didn't need a stallion, especially one that couldn't run through his conditions. But, when you look at him as an individual, his racing mind and his pedigree, I had to keep him and give him a shot. I've had several pedigree gurus look at him and they all say he has great potential to be a sire. Again, I say, I'll put his pedigree up against any of the other Cozzene's and at a bargain price.

DDT · Postby **DDT** » Mon Apr 14, 2008 11:59 am

larrygene

Putting his pedigree up against other Cozzene stallions as opposed to the best bred son of Cozzene standing is a little easier to agree with. Since when does the number of Chefs or Reines in a pedigree have anything to do with predicted success or failure of any horse, be it racing or breeding? While Ellen Parker and Dr. Roman are entitled to their opinions, I would keep in mind that it is merely opinion, and somewhat subjective to boot.

DDT