Rule makers forPedigree Query
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Rule makers forPedigree Query
Can anyone put in information into what comes up after hitting or running your curser over the circle with the i in it that is after some of the names in your database? After looking up our mare Full Life and running the curser over the circle with the i in it up came the breeders name and state and a message about her 2007 filly foal by Dance With Ravens. I didn't put in that message. Several on your boards think anyone could have put it in. Is that right or does someone connected with Pedigree Query do it? Thank you!
Charles Heath
Rule Makers for Pedigree Query.
I just put in Full Life's name again in pedigree query and saw that the comment was gone and in its place was her racing record. Who has control over this change. Not me!
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Was this really worth three threads? If you didn't do it, someone saw an ad for the horse you ran and had nothing better to do so they incorporated the language of the ad into the info section (and no I didn't click on the ad so I don't know exactly what it says but that's what you are implying with all of these threads). The only real mystery is why someone besides yourself would do that.
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Sysonby wrote:Was this really worth three threads? If you didn't do it, someone saw an ad for the horse you ran and had nothing better to do so they incorporated the language of the ad into the info section (and no I didn't click on the ad so I don't know exactly what it says but that's what you are implying with all of these threads). The only real mystery is why someone besides yourself would do that.
The only real mystery is why someone besides yourself would do that.
When people like you accuse someone of putting on a message is why I have to defend myself. The one that put that message on is still not man or woman to accept responsibility for puting it there. Personally I thought it was very nice to notice the similarities in the Classy 'n Smart female families in both horses. I don't think they were saying both horses were close in all respects, although Full Life the dam of Doublenodouble has the sire (Nodouble) of No Class, the dam of Classy 'n Smart, one generation closer on her side than it is on Dance With Raven's side. I was as surprised as anyone that the info information said what it did.
Charles Heath
dumont84 wrote:The one that put that message on is still not man or woman to accept responsibility for puting it there.
Probably because whomever did it doesn't read the message board. Seems like most users of the database don't actually bother to read the board. It's not a requirement, after all. It's pretty shitty to basically call someone a coward for not saying they put information in the system -- especially when in all probability, the party responsible isn't reading your childish barbs.
IOW, get over it already. Like Sys said, was this really worth starting 3 threads over? Talk about a drama llama.
dumont84
You continue to say that because Smart Strike and Dance with Ravens have the same female family that it somehow ties in with Nodouble being the sire of No Class while all it does is give your filly inbreeding to Nodouble, she does not decend from Classy N' Smart's female family nor does Curlin. To say that Doublenodouble and Curlin are bred on similar lines is not true. If your filly was sired by Smart Strike or even another son of Mr. Prospector and her dam was sired by Deputy Minister, then it could be said they were bred along similar lines.
Any foal sired by Smart Strike, Dance with Ravens or any other sire from Classy N' Smart, while she will be in the pedigree, it will be from the sire side. Foals that share the same sire are not considered to be siblings, they must be from the same female family. Two stallions, A.P. Indy and Danzig appear in Dance with Ravens' pedigree over Dance Smartly and Classy N' Smart, therefore the influence may be diluted because of this, he is related to Smart Strike, but he is not bred in a similar pattern, while Dance Brightly, a son of Mr. Prospector out of Dance Smartly could be considered to be bred in a similar manner as Smart Strike.
DDT
You continue to say that because Smart Strike and Dance with Ravens have the same female family that it somehow ties in with Nodouble being the sire of No Class while all it does is give your filly inbreeding to Nodouble, she does not decend from Classy N' Smart's female family nor does Curlin. To say that Doublenodouble and Curlin are bred on similar lines is not true. If your filly was sired by Smart Strike or even another son of Mr. Prospector and her dam was sired by Deputy Minister, then it could be said they were bred along similar lines.
Any foal sired by Smart Strike, Dance with Ravens or any other sire from Classy N' Smart, while she will be in the pedigree, it will be from the sire side. Foals that share the same sire are not considered to be siblings, they must be from the same female family. Two stallions, A.P. Indy and Danzig appear in Dance with Ravens' pedigree over Dance Smartly and Classy N' Smart, therefore the influence may be diluted because of this, he is related to Smart Strike, but he is not bred in a similar pattern, while Dance Brightly, a son of Mr. Prospector out of Dance Smartly could be considered to be bred in a similar manner as Smart Strike.
DDT
DDT wrote:dumont84
You continue to say that because Smart Strike and Dance with Ravens have the same female family that it somehow ties in with Nodouble being the sire of No Class while all it does is give your filly inbreeding to Nodouble, she does not decend from Classy N' Smart's female family nor does Curlin. To say that Doublenodouble and Curlin are bred on similar lines is not true. If your filly was sired by Smart Strike or even another son of Mr. Prospector and her dam was sired by Deputy Minister, then it could be said they were bred along similar lines.
Any foal sired by Smart Strike, Dance with Ravens or any other sire from Classy N' Smart, while she will be in the pedigree, it will be from the sire side. Foals that share the same sire are not considered to be siblings, they must be from the same female family. Two stallions, A.P. Indy and Danzig appear in Dance with Ravens' pedigree over Dance Smartly and Classy N' Smart, therefore the influence may be diluted because of this, he is related to Smart Strike, but he is not bred in a similar pattern, while Dance Brightly, a son of Mr. Prospector out of Dance Smartly could be considered to be bred in a similar manner as Smart Strike.
DDT
It sure is nice to have geniuses on this board. I imagine you have a 25% or higher rate of producing stakes winners. I only have a 25%, so please help me with your wisdom.
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dumont84
First, I did not offer advice to you in any manner, what I was attempting to do was state why I believe your filly and Curlin are not bred in a similar manner. But, let's recap your posts.
On March 31 you entered a post headed "Curlin's victory should help DND" which basically was a sales pitch for your filly.
On April 12 you entered a post headed "Interesting comment on Pedigree Query" wherein you advised the board of the comment, and how to read it. Also you advised how to look at your sales ad for the filly. At no time did you address the point that although it was a nice comment, Curlin and your filly share very little pedigree wise.
Your posts on April 13 "Rule makers for Pedigree Query" and "Powers that be for Pedigree Query" followed.
Now, having a 25% stakes winner percentage is great, and in my opinion, and my opinion only, I think that approach would generate much more interest in your filly as opposed to agreeing with the comment in the first place and not questioning how it came to be on Pedigree Query, and more importantly, that Curlin and DND share very little pedigree wise.
You have accomplished one thing with all of this, the board members are now aware of DND.
DDT
First, I did not offer advice to you in any manner, what I was attempting to do was state why I believe your filly and Curlin are not bred in a similar manner. But, let's recap your posts.
On March 31 you entered a post headed "Curlin's victory should help DND" which basically was a sales pitch for your filly.
On April 12 you entered a post headed "Interesting comment on Pedigree Query" wherein you advised the board of the comment, and how to read it. Also you advised how to look at your sales ad for the filly. At no time did you address the point that although it was a nice comment, Curlin and your filly share very little pedigree wise.
Your posts on April 13 "Rule makers for Pedigree Query" and "Powers that be for Pedigree Query" followed.
Now, having a 25% stakes winner percentage is great, and in my opinion, and my opinion only, I think that approach would generate much more interest in your filly as opposed to agreeing with the comment in the first place and not questioning how it came to be on Pedigree Query, and more importantly, that Curlin and DND share very little pedigree wise.
You have accomplished one thing with all of this, the board members are now aware of DND.
DDT
DDT wrote:dumont84
You continue to say that because Smart Strike and Dance with Ravens have the same female family that it somehow ties in with Nodouble being the sire of No Class while all it does is give your filly inbreeding to Nodouble, she does not decend from Classy N' Smart's female family nor does Curlin. To say that Doublenodouble and Curlin are bred on similar lines is not true. If your filly was sired by Smart Strike or even another son of Mr. Prospector and her dam was sired by Deputy Minister, then it could be said they were bred along similar lines.
Any foal sired by Smart Strike, Dance with Ravens or any other sire from Classy N' Smart, while she will be in the pedigree, it will be from the sire side. Foals that share the same sire are not considered to be siblings, they must be from the same female family. Two stallions, A.P. Indy and Danzig appear in Dance with Ravens' pedigree over Dance Smartly and Classy N' Smart, therefore the influence may be diluted because of this, he is related to Smart Strike, but he is not bred in a similar pattern, while Dance Brightly, a son of Mr. Prospector out of Dance Smartly could be considered to be bred in a similar manner as Smart Strike.
DDT
Who is the sire of Curlin? Smart Strike the leading sire in the country. Who is the dam of Smart Strike? Classy'n Smart. Who is the dam of Dance With Ravens? Dance Smartly, Classy 'n Smarts HOTY daughter in Canada. So Smart Strike the sire of Curli and Dance With Ravens the sire of Doublenodouble come from the same female family. Now who did Classy'n Smart come from? No Class. Would No Class have been the same great producer if her parents were different? NO. Who was her sire? Nodouble. And you say having Nodouble on Doublenodouble's dam's side (full Life) one generation closer is nothing but an inbreeding on Nodouble, even though he sired No Class the dam of Classy 'n Smart who is the dam of Smart Strike who sired Curlin, English Channel, etc.
I'm not saying Curlin and Doublenodouble are bred exactly alike, but they both have that great female family close up that basically started with No Class. Say what you want, but these are facts. One look at Doublenodouble is all that is needed to know she's made of top stuff. I guess no one else on this board is proud of their mare's offspring. I'm just a small breeder, one mare at a time, but have a much better average than the National average of 1 SW in every 45 foals. 1 in every 4 to race is my average. Luck has to play a part to have that average, but don't treat me as a dummy that has to be lectured to. Thank You!
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We raced a mare who is bred identically to Curlin!
Her name is Canadienne and because she has Mr Prospector and Noholme on the top line and feature's Noholme's full brother Todman on the dam side she and Curlin are basically 3/4 brother and sister. She also traces to Oceana the dam of Todman and Noholme so she is intensely inbred to the reason Curlin is so good...
In fact Canadienne is better than Curlin!
Her name is Canadienne and because she has Mr Prospector and Noholme on the top line and feature's Noholme's full brother Todman on the dam side she and Curlin are basically 3/4 brother and sister. She also traces to Oceana the dam of Todman and Noholme so she is intensely inbred to the reason Curlin is so good...
In fact Canadienne is better than Curlin!
