PETA demands jockey be suspended!

[nferro9925]

In today's news:

http://sports.aol.com/story/_a/peta-wan ... 4809990001

There are times PETA can really be obnoxious.

[Toccet02]

Agreed. Very obnoxious. IMO they have no idea what they're talking about. She looked fine until she dropped. And they have no right to smear the jockey, who, by the way, showed amazing agility jumping off when she stumbled.

[choking]

http://msn.foxsports.com/horseracing/st ... 0?MSNHPHMA

[horsenuts]

Agreed. Very obnoxious. IMO they have no idea what they're talking about. She looked fine until she dropped. And they have no right to smear the jockey, who, by the way, showed amazing agility jumping off when she stumbled.

Morons doesn't begin to describe those pointing fingers at the connections of EB. A freak accident and PETA calls for the riders head? PETA should be jailed for giving false tesimony on a subject they know nothing about. A few facts to consider:

NO horse was training any better then EB going into the Derby. Her morning gallops were televised on HRTV for all to see and she was moving and training better then any horse going into the race and why I recommended betting on her. A horse couldn't have went into the race much better then she was doing.


No one is sicker about what happened then her connections(owner/trainer/jockey) and to break out the brass knuckles and resort to groin kicks as PETA and many in the media are doing shows what ignorant fools the lot of them are. Sadly, they have the bigger audience and support then those who know a freak accident for what it is in the world of horse racing.

[Monmouth Matt]

Agreed. Very obnoxious. IMO they have no idea what they're talking about. She looked fine until she dropped. And they have no right to smear the jockey, who, by the way, showed amazing agility jumping off when she stumbled.

Morons doesn't begin to describe those pointing fingers at the connections of EB. A freak accident and PETA calls for the riders head? PETA should be jailed for giving false tesimony on a subject they know nothing about. A few facts to consider:

NO horse was training any better then EB going into the Derby. Her morning gallops were televised on HRTV for all to see and she was moving and training better then any horse going into the race and why I recommended betting on her. A horse couldn't have went into the race much better then she was doing.


No one is sicker about what happened then her connections(owner/trainer/jockey) and to break out the brass knuckles and resort to groin kicks as PETA and many in the media are doing shows what ignorant fools the lot of them are. Sadly, they have the bigger audience and support then those who know a freak accident for what it is in the world of horse racing.

Agreed. PETA and their antics to garner publicity are a disgrace.

[Hagginwood]

Time to fire back at PETA. If they are so damn concerned about saving lives, why are they euthanizing animals that the promised to give homes to?
http://www.petakillsanimals.com/

[RuffianT21]

"What we really want to know, did he feel anything along the way?" PETA spokeswoman Kathy Guillermo said. "If he didn't then we can probably blame the fact that they're allowed to whip the horses mercilessly."

What the hell??? So they're admitting that they have absolutely no idea what they're talking about. They have no proof, and now are admitting that if they don't find any evidence, they'll just turn around and start a crusade against some other unsubstantiated claim.

They are showing cruelty to people by berating this poor jockey. He just had the rides of his life finishing 1st and 2nd in the Oaks and Derby, and then had to face the devastation of Eight Belles' breakdown. Hasn't he gone through enough without these people blaming her death on him?

[horsenuts]

"What we really want to know, did he feel anything along the way?" PETA spokeswoman Kathy Guillermo said. "If he didn't then we can probably blame the fact that they're allowed to whip the horses mercilessly."

What the hell??? So they're admitting that they have absolutely no idea what they're talking about. They have no proof, and now are admitting that if they don't find any evidence, they'll just turn around and start a crusade against some other unsubstantiated claim.

They are showing cruelty to people by berating this poor jockey. He just had the rides of his life finishing 1st and 2nd in the Oaks and Derby, and then had to face the devastation of Eight Belles' breakdown. Hasn't he gone through enough without these people blaming her death on him?

You said it all there: PETA = Cruelty to humans good........ their cooked up version of cruelty to animals bad.

[Tiz]

Peta believes that animals and humans are equal. In fact, maybe animals are more important in their eyes. Extreme, yes, but I think if racing wants to survive this rash of high profile tragedies, we must change, and sooner, not later.

I agree with the whipping sentiments, by the way. Too much, and the whips are too thin and long. If you've got a racehorse, and it loves to run, then put your money where your mouth is. Lose the whip, and replace it something like a relatively painless scat bat.

[Heidilady]

I'm proud of the tens of thousands of folks who voted against PETA's stance on the AOL polls. Check out the one on CNN and tell your friends. It's got a different slant where they ask if enough is being done for equine safety. I'd say it requires a bit more than a yes or no answer but it makes you think a lot more than PETA ever could.

EB was trying to get to the rail, of course the jockey would be trying to keep her off of it with the whip. Poor Saez, he couldn't help it and he was trying to pull her up when she went down. If he'd jumped off earlier, considering this filly she probably would've tried to keep going and that could've made it worse (this is before the injury moved to catastrophic). It's not typically both legs the way she did it so to Saez it wouldn't be unreasonable to expect that she'd be fighting him with 3 good legs. He tried to save the day, it's not his fault she was 17 hands on those matchsticks. Responsible breeding isn't unreasonable to call for but banning racing? It's laughable. They don't even know what they're speaking of.

[horsenuts]

Peta believes that animals and humans are equal. In fact, maybe animals are more important in their eyes. Extreme, yes, but I think if racing wants to survive this rash of high profile tragedies, we must change, and sooner, not later.

I agree with the whipping sentiments, by the way. Too much, and the whips are too thin and long. If you've got a racehorse, and it loves to run, then put your money where your mouth is. Lose the whip, and replace it something like a relatively painless scat bat.

Many of the great riders used very little whip i.e. Bill Shoemaker and Pat Day. Many owners and trainers loved riding Pat Day for this reason and because of how good he was to the horses he rode. Rarely did you see horses break down with PD nor Shoemaker. I wish all riders had their skills but very few are so fortunate.

[Heidilady]

Peta believes that animals and humans are equal. In fact, maybe animals are more important in their eyes. Extreme, yes, but I think if racing wants to survive this rash of high profile tragedies, we must change, and sooner, not later.

I agree with the whipping sentiments, by the way. Too much, and the whips are too thin and long. If you've got a racehorse, and it loves to run, then put your money where your mouth is. Lose the whip, and replace it something like a relatively painless scat bat.

Many of the great riders used very little whip i.e. Bill Shoemaker and Pat Day. Many owners and trainers loved riding Pat Day for this reason and because of how good he was to the horses he rode. Rarely did you see horses break down with PD nor Shoemaker. I wish all riders had their skills but very few are so fortunate.

What horse was it I saw on the racing coverage that couldn't have a whip or it would flip out on the jockey? As the commentators said, smart horse. I think the smart ones are so good at what they do they don't need one. They know how to give their best every time and if they don't want to the whip won't work anyway.

[RuffianT21]

It's not that I disagree with their points about whipping. I would not be at all adverse to racing without whips. I just don't like how they said that *if* the jockey felt anything, then it's all his fault, but *if* he didn't then it's the whipping's fault. Their argument is all over the place. They're not sure what they're angry about, they just want to stir up rage and emotion.

CLEARLY something needs to be done. This cannot keep happening. But PETA does not know what they're talking about. I agree with whoever said on another thread that PETA knows a little about everything, but not a lot about anything. The people who need to initiate change in this industry are the people who are IN the industry, the people who know the issues. The problem is that all too often, the industry turns its head and won't address the issues.

Everyone's upset, but blaming the jockey is doing a whole lot more harm than good.

[Tiz]

Look, Peta people are nuts, but we shouldn't refuse positive changes because they've turned their attention to horse racing.
Horsenuts, so true about good riders and the use of the whip. I'm always happy to see the rider moving with the horse, not twisting and whipping, and throwing the horse off balance. Flag them a time or two, but slashing away every jump? Not for me.

[freshman]

There are times PETA can really be obnoxious.

PETA is always obnoxious. PETA has nothing, nothing to do with animals or animal welfare. It's just another club for crazy people to join.