Hi Jenny,
#1AfleetAlexFan, a young fellow with a desire to get into the breeding and owning of racehorses.
Long on passion, short on cash and knowledge of what it takes to have a chance to be successful in this business.
I'd be surprised if this isn't Alex.
Regards,
Pete
Jazil and Island Key 2010 Foal..Racing Partnership
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FWIW - Sad comment on the state of Texas racing but this mare probabally ran most of her races in the lower claiming ranks of Tx-Accredited racing. I'd want to look that up if I were thinking of breeding her b/c if she couldn't win or even place outside of 'restricted to state breds' company at such low purse races it says even more - not so great - about her abilities as a race mare.
This mare's sire, Star Programmer, is a son of Storm Cat oout of a decent Key To The Mint (Graustark) mare and he won over $825K lifetime. While never doing better than a 3rd in G-3 Stakes company that figure would suggest he ran mostly in top flight company/big purse races. He stood his initial seasons at stud here in Texas. He was I believe well promoted and actively marketed and supported (with decent mares) by his connections.
However, he had two things totally beyond his control going against him:
1) the approval of slots gaming in adjoining states was actively setting up interest in breeding for TB racing in Texas to take an economic tumble after it had more or less flattened out in fan and handle growth, just as his first crop were looking for racing opportunities AND
2) the farm where he stood was somewhat off the beaten track of existing TB farms and tracks in this state (now there are plans approved *I think* by the Texas Racing Commission to allow a Class II track to be built in the Valley area which would put that farm in a good geographic position). In a state where 'nearby' distances means a 3 hr to half day drive in one direction geographic proxmity to others engaged in the same/similar sort of enterprise actually is beneficial - creating something of an economy of scale for such ventures. It's not necessarily a negative even it puts you close to your 'competition' in terms of stallions - just look at the Lexington Kentucky and Ocala Florida areas as examples. It is critical that you appreciate your 'niche' in those competitive environs - you must have a stallion worth standing AND have him priced right, well supported with good 'racey' mares AND you must have a facility/staff that can demonstrate or have a reputation for a quality environment for the managing of breeding/mare care, foaling etc. on the premises or at close-by farms AND have access to well regarded reporductive vets. That's a lot of "AND"s that a stallion owner ought to consider when setting up operation 'outside' the circle of currently exisiting similar farms.
There is a very nice photo of him in the db looking more solid and mature than the last time I saw him. Here's a link to his pedigree and photo:
http://www.pedigreequery.com/star+programmer
He has been sold to stand at a ranch in New Mexico where he ought to be well recieved. I think he may have stood his first season in New Mexico this past spring but am not sure. He's a son of Storm Cat that was very successful on the track, now standing in a state that loves DEVON LANE, another Storm Cat son, and his pedigree and the stats of his offspring here in Texas would show he is more likely to sire the more classic distance oriented Storm Cat offspring than the speedy sprinter type DEVON LANE seems to be producing. He does have Mr. Prospector fairly close up as the sire of his third dam and two other strains of Native Dancer plus his popular sire line to either play to or avoid in matings but he also offers several other well thought of pedigree influences to consider inbreeding to by mares of non-Mr. P/N. Dancer influences, i.e. 'outcross' mares. It will be interesting to see how he fits with New Mexico mares.
I would say that his offspring see to need a bit more time to fully come into themselves and here in Texas - at least early in his stud career, few were given that chance. I'm of the opinion - purely anecdotal on my part/not researched in any way - that they are likely to do better at three and four than at two and if a female with a turfy influence were put to him I wouldn't be surprised to see him produce a good turf running horse.
This mare's sire, Star Programmer, is a son of Storm Cat oout of a decent Key To The Mint (Graustark) mare and he won over $825K lifetime. While never doing better than a 3rd in G-3 Stakes company that figure would suggest he ran mostly in top flight company/big purse races. He stood his initial seasons at stud here in Texas. He was I believe well promoted and actively marketed and supported (with decent mares) by his connections.
However, he had two things totally beyond his control going against him:
1) the approval of slots gaming in adjoining states was actively setting up interest in breeding for TB racing in Texas to take an economic tumble after it had more or less flattened out in fan and handle growth, just as his first crop were looking for racing opportunities AND
2) the farm where he stood was somewhat off the beaten track of existing TB farms and tracks in this state (now there are plans approved *I think* by the Texas Racing Commission to allow a Class II track to be built in the Valley area which would put that farm in a good geographic position). In a state where 'nearby' distances means a 3 hr to half day drive in one direction geographic proxmity to others engaged in the same/similar sort of enterprise actually is beneficial - creating something of an economy of scale for such ventures. It's not necessarily a negative even it puts you close to your 'competition' in terms of stallions - just look at the Lexington Kentucky and Ocala Florida areas as examples. It is critical that you appreciate your 'niche' in those competitive environs - you must have a stallion worth standing AND have him priced right, well supported with good 'racey' mares AND you must have a facility/staff that can demonstrate or have a reputation for a quality environment for the managing of breeding/mare care, foaling etc. on the premises or at close-by farms AND have access to well regarded reporductive vets. That's a lot of "AND"s that a stallion owner ought to consider when setting up operation 'outside' the circle of currently exisiting similar farms.
There is a very nice photo of him in the db looking more solid and mature than the last time I saw him. Here's a link to his pedigree and photo:
http://www.pedigreequery.com/star+programmer
He has been sold to stand at a ranch in New Mexico where he ought to be well recieved. I think he may have stood his first season in New Mexico this past spring but am not sure. He's a son of Storm Cat that was very successful on the track, now standing in a state that loves DEVON LANE, another Storm Cat son, and his pedigree and the stats of his offspring here in Texas would show he is more likely to sire the more classic distance oriented Storm Cat offspring than the speedy sprinter type DEVON LANE seems to be producing. He does have Mr. Prospector fairly close up as the sire of his third dam and two other strains of Native Dancer plus his popular sire line to either play to or avoid in matings but he also offers several other well thought of pedigree influences to consider inbreeding to by mares of non-Mr. P/N. Dancer influences, i.e. 'outcross' mares. It will be interesting to see how he fits with New Mexico mares.
I would say that his offspring see to need a bit more time to fully come into themselves and here in Texas - at least early in his stud career, few were given that chance. I'm of the opinion - purely anecdotal on my part/not researched in any way - that they are likely to do better at three and four than at two and if a female with a turfy influence were put to him I wouldn't be surprised to see him produce a good turf running horse.
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Actually the reason Star Programmer has such high earnings is because he raced in Japan (where I think he was third in a Japanese Group 3).
Allowance horses in Japan can get to a million in earnings pretty quickly.
If the "lease" on this mare is more than a pack of Tic-Tac's it's not a great deal.
If someone really wanted to race a Jazil foal there's no need to take on the risk of breeding one, just wait until his first foals hit a sale and buy one. No offense to Jazil, but I don't think you're going to have to be Coolmore or Darley to afford a nice Jazil foal at a sale.
Allowance horses in Japan can get to a million in earnings pretty quickly.
If the "lease" on this mare is more than a pack of Tic-Tac's it's not a great deal.
If someone really wanted to race a Jazil foal there's no need to take on the risk of breeding one, just wait until his first foals hit a sale and buy one. No offense to Jazil, but I don't think you're going to have to be Coolmore or Darley to afford a nice Jazil foal at a sale.
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"Thanks!" at the end of the initial post signify that it's the former AfleetAlex#1 fan poster.
He means well but just doesn't get it. Safe to ignore. He's received lots of advice about how to approach these things right, and can't or won't learn from it.
"Thanks!" at the end of the initial post signify that it's the former AfleetAlex#1 fan poster.
He means well but just doesn't get it. Safe to ignore. He's received lots of advice about how to approach these things right, and can't or won't learn from it.
All shouting does is make you lose your voice.
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There is always the possibility that Jordan is really a slightly unbalanced adult having us all on for a very good laugh. If he really is a child, he needs much more parental supervision. If he were over 21 pulling a scam like his Jazil/Island Key deal he could WELL end up doing time in the slammer.
So Run for the Roses, as fast as you can.....