p fifty one

[walaa]

just looking at stallions in TN, which as you know, isnt t-bred heaven. Came across him, very few t-bred mres to him, mostly eventers and dressage, I talked to the owners and I will go look at him in the next couple weeks, I have a Saratoga Six Mare and a Lion Hearted mare, this guys fee is 600 . His pedigree to me is very nice, although all dams werent winners, through the 1st 4, which is all I have access to for free through ped Q, seem to produce winners. They didnt run well, but all produced some type of runner. Just wondering what people think, I know it wont be good since he isnt commercial, but still, for standing in middle TN with that kind of dam produce recoed, I thought he is very worth looking at. Thanks for all opinions.

[Intrinsic Worth]

I saw his son, Goldinrunner at GLD and he was amazing. Nice looking boy who had a ton of talent.

[soundfast]

He only had 1 Thoroughbred foal to race and that one has 10 wins 3-8 and $246,643. and is out of a mare by Carson City and had 50 starts including 2 stakes wins. If you want all the info on his pedigree go to www.stallionring.com click on P and you will see his name. Click on pedigree and statistics.

[Sock Monkey]

He seems like a well mannered stallion and based on his sales price, he is correct. Nice stallions in the pedigree, but I would call the damside weak. He is clearly not at a race farm and they are clearly not really marketing him for racemares.

It sounds like you have decent mares - you can do better stallion-wise. There are some nice stallions in AL (look at Royal Empire, Power of Mind and Salty Character) and KY isn't far at all.

[walaa]

actually his damside is why I was thinking of him. I can find Mr.P, Sec, Storm Cat, etc., anywhere in almost any state for 1000 or less, but the fact that all 4 dams have produced winners, including stakes winners and stakes placed winners, was why I thought he might be better than the average t-bred stud, with virtually no racing record in the dam line, no matter how well bred. This guy has produced very nice horses, I think very few to race, if not just the one, but a good winner!:) You can find mediocre stallions with great lineage everywhere, and that is no joke, so I thought for the price and the produce record on the dam side that he might be a very good option for the first couple (in my budget) lean years, you cannot beat 600. My mares arent commercial, neither one raced, so I have to breed to try and race the first foals with these 2 or not at all. On another note, I rode Duke of Venice for the first time today, he was such a lame wreck when he shipped here, he neck reins!! Yea Duke, and w-t c around my little area like a very good boy. Compared to the tantrums when he got here I'm so happy for him!! He may be a great riding horse yet. He is still short and a tad sore but getting better every day, this was the first time he has been ridden that i know of since his last work at the track in May. I was very happy for him, he has a great attitude, and definitely has some training somewhere besides the track, although very rusty. Will post in the appropiate column when he is ready for sale, I dont think he will be ready for another 3-6 months. Thanks

[Sock Monkey]

actually his damside is why I was thinking of him. I can find Mr.P, Sec, Storm Cat, etc., anywhere in almost any state for 1000 or less, but the fact that all 4 dams have produced winners, including stakes winners and stakes placed winners, was why I thought he might be better than the average t-bred stud, with virtually no racing record in the dam line, no matter how well bred.

I'm not trying to knock P Fifty One and if you love him by all means breed to him. But, the resulting foals will be ones you HAVE to race yourself. I understand not breeding commercially, but with a stallion like this you are breeding a foal you most likely won't be able to sell at all if you decide you need or want to (as a racehorse). So, if you are completely comfortable with the idea of having horses in training yourself - go for it.

For racehorses, "well bred" means the damside is strong as well as the top side. I am not familiar with any Mr P or SC sons with no record in the dam line.

Take a look at Gold Spring (ARG). He's in the same price range and is standing on the TN/AL border. Not commercial at all, but he's sired some runners. Better damside by a mile. Or, for a really strong damside - Royal Empire who stand further south in AL. Out of a champion millionaire mare.

I'm just pointing out some other options. Bottom line is: go with who you love - YOU are the one who has to feed the foals so get ones that you are excited about!

[walaa]

Didnt say no record, I said there were many stallions with damside having no racing record to speak of, so I guess what I meant is that with big name stallions having a damside with virtually no racing record, he is quite comparable in that his damside through 4 dams have all produced winners. Thats all I meant, I do appreciate all opinions, so I hope it didnt sound like I didnt. I guess I would be leary of Gold Spring, having been in KY for years, I think he would get much better mares than in AL, but thats where he ended up after years at stud. Do you know where I can see a pic of him? POM I have seen in person several times, when he stood in PA, and I worked with many of his babies, so I will say a big definite negative on him, just my opinion. I dont him anyways, or Royal Empire(they need better pics of him:)) my younger mare already has Raise a Native top and bottom, dont want any more, esp. through MR.P Thanks so much again for any suggestions, I love talking about these things , so I hope you arent mad that I dont like those stallions, its all fun to discuss:)

[xfactor fan]

Hi,

If you go see p fifty one, would you please take a conformation photo and post it? I'm working on a conformation study and it would be interested in including p fifty one.

[ct2346]

Walaa, I am with you on the FF here. I see absolutely nothing wrong with it. Without spending anytime researching it, I think it represents some of the old Gluck/Elmendorf FF's. Nothing wrong here at all. Its actually the sire side of P Fifty One that I would question first...

[Sock Monkey]

I guess I would be leary of Gold Spring, having been in KY for years, I think he would get much better mares than in AL, but thats where he ended up after years at stud. Do you know where I can see a pic of him? POM I have seen in person several times, when he stood in PA, and I worked with many of his babies, so I will say a big definite negative on him, just my opinion. I dont him anyways, or Royal Empire(they need better pics of him:)) my younger mare already has Raise a Native top and bottom, dont want any more, esp. through MR.P Thanks so much again for any suggestions, I love talking about these things , so I hope you arent mad that I dont like those stallions, its all fun to discuss:)

Gold Spring can be seen at http://www.albreds.com/stallion.html
I have not seen any of his foals. He was a weird story - private owner not doing anything with him and he was either sold or leased to the AL farm. I don't think he's had strong mares for a while.

What's the deal with Power of Mind?

Mad? Of course not!

[springboro]

GOLD SPRING (ARG) (1988). Stakes winner in Argentina, Premio Carrera de las Estrellas de Productos [G1], etc. Sire of 11 crops of racing age, 226 foals, 143 starters, 5 stakes winners, 106 winners of 415 races and earning $4,352,547 & $24,619(CAN) in N.A., including Jake the Flake($553,851, Kentucky Cup Mile S. [L] (KD, $124,000), etc.), Bidis ($261,583, Waterford Park H. [L] (MNR, $34,351), etc.), Jack's Gold ($131,483, Honor Guard S. [L] (PIM, $33,180), etc.). Sire of dams of winners.

[walaa]

Gold Spring looks very nice in his pic, too. maybe I'll swing by and take a look one of theses days it goes under 90-something

[soundfast]

P Fifty One was sired by Slew O' Gold. I do not know why somebody would dislike him. Slew O Gold sired G1 stakes winners Dramatic Gold,Gorgeous,Thirty Six Red,Awe Inspiring,etc. He was Champion twice and won over $3.5Million. Slew O' Gold was by Seattle Slew out of Alluvial by Buckpasser. That is NOT a poor pedigree. P Fifty One's dam Excitable Gal is by Secretariat and she had 15 foals to race 10 winners and SW Edgy Diplomat who was sent to stud in Chile. His second dam was G1 SW Magazine by Prince John. His female family includes sires Filiberto and Marked Tree. P Fifty One has only 1 foal to race and that is SW Goldinrunner who had 10 wins 3-8 $246,643. winner of the Michigan Sire S. & Michigan Breeders H. and placed in 4 other stakes. P Fifty One has only 10 foals born between 1998 and 2005 and may have been bred for sport horses.

[walaa]

Indeed, the owner says he has been used in her area for eventers and dressage types. if she will allow it I will take a pic of him when I go see him, probably Tues after next, and post it. She said he is quite large 17- 17.1 and big boned, very warmbloody in looks and movement. I think his ped is quite nice, myself, I know its not commercial, but 600? you cant beat it to try and race. Otherwise, if I dont like him, as someone suggested, I will go to KY, lots of deals there too, but this guy just seems interesting enough to go check out, thanks

[yukidragon]

P Fifty One acts like a shark in a tank.
The time I saw him.
I think he's 17h. If I remember correct.
His foals are very straight.
The farm is kinda like a rescue farm for horses.
Hobby farm etc...
Seemed like a million curves in the road to get there coming from the East Tn..