Valid Appeal

Derby2004 · Postby **Derby2004** » Mon Jan 31, 2005 12:32 pm

If you had a stakes producing Valid Appeal daughter, would you breed her to a stamina stallion or a sprint? I know that most of American races are sprint, but as many, my dream are the classics.

Michael D. · Postby **Michael D.** » Mon Jan 31, 2005 1:33 pm

maybe a few of the expert can comment on this, but just by watching racing, it seems as though the unbridled line works very well with VA mares. i have seen a bunch of nice horses with that nick over the years. unbridled's song is obviously a bit expensive, but maybe one of the younger unbridled sires? you should have no problem with your quest for stamina if you take this route. good luck!!

Derby2004 · Postby **Derby2004** » Mon Jan 31, 2005 1:34 pm

Thanks for the info, very helpful

henthorn · Postby **henthorn** » Mon Jan 31, 2005 1:44 pm

Derby, what's her name so we can help with suggestions, and are you breeding to race or sell, and what's your stud fee limit?

Derby2004 · Postby **Derby2004** » Mon Jan 31, 2005 1:48 pm

her name is appealing style. I am mainly breeding to race, but would like the sales side there also

Derby2004 · Postby **Derby2004** » Mon Jan 31, 2005 2:03 pm

could someone please post the progency for her and her dam? Thanks

freddymo · Postby **freddymo** » Mon Jan 31, 2005 2:08 pm

Saarland is a new son of Unbridled. He was far from the quickest animal on the planet,but he is a very very nice looking animal. I do not think you can fault his pedigree. I am sure he was well kept and illegal drugs and steroids wheren't used to power him up. At 10,000 and being his 1st crop I think this is a racing vs. selling breeding. I can't imagine a huge 1st crop following for him in the ring. For sales purposes I think Vindication would be a great choice pricey ,but I beleive the foal would have a ton of value in the ring. I see you went to Miners Mark so I guess you like Phipps and family. Did you like what you got from that breeding?

-FM

Derby2004 · Postby **Derby2004** » Mon Jan 31, 2005 2:14 pm

I did not breed that foal. I just got her. She had luck with the Danzig line though

aurora · Postby **aurora** » Mon Jan 31, 2005 3:09 pm

Ooo, I think I would look carefully before putting a Valid Appeal mare to an Unbridled horse. Valid Appeals are quite refined and a bit small while the Unbridled's are large horses with tendancies toward unsoundness. If you get a large offspring with those refined bones (back at the knee some of them) you might be in for trouble. Of course, this is all guesswork since I don't know the mare's body style.

I've read that Northern Dancer is a good nick on VA mares, maybe because he too was a small horse, although stout. I believe I would look for a Danzig horse...

louis finochio · Postby **louis finochio** » Mon Jan 31, 2005 3:42 pm

Valid Appeal produced superior nicks when bred tomares that traced to the sire line of (Peter Pan) The dam sires were Crimson Satan---Poppy Jay---Mr. Randy---Whitesburg---and Ky. Colonel.

Valid Appeal produced superior nicks when bred to mares that traced to the sire line of (Questionnaire) The dam sires were Dr. Fager---Great Above---Minnesota Mac---Flag Raiser---Gunflint---and Rough 'n Tumble.

Valid Appeal produced superior nicks when bred to mares that traced to the sire line of (Tourbillon) The dam sires were Crozier---Ambiorix---Count Amber---Hitting Away---Inverness Drive---Twice Worthy---and Amber Morn.

Find a stallion that has a combo of this sire lines with those dams sires and your on your way to a road paved with gold.

Michael D. · Postby **Michael D.** » Mon Jan 31, 2005 6:30 pm

quiet american?...... a different son of fappiano. still a bit large, but i don't as big as unbridled. fits one of louis' nicks (questionnaire through dr fager). i notice your mare has a speed oriented pedigree. quiet american was speedy, but has princequillo on both sides. you might get a fast one with a big heart!! $20g through darley might be a bit expensive for that sire though.

Derby2004 · Postby **Derby2004** » Mon Jan 31, 2005 6:48 pm

It is a very speedy pedigree. She does have some stamina in there though. I was also thinking a Saint Ballado or Wild Again stud. Tenpins is also a nice match.

FOS · Postby **FOS** » Mon Jan 31, 2005 7:34 pm

hi Derby2004

Respectfully...why a Saint Ballado or a Wild Again?

Obviously anything is possible...but I suggest that both have proven very little thus far (as sires of sires). Saint Ballado has not and will not (for obvious reasons) have as many sons at stud as Wild Again...but even highly touted Yankee Victor (by Saint Ballado) has arguably disappointed (at least so far) and he was a Met Mile winner...and what about Captain Bodgit (ouch)...and Straight Man (ouch so far).

If you insist...maybe Flame Thrower (who runs in 2005) could be interesting...but as consistent sires of sires...I suggest that sons of Saint Ballado and Wild Again are becoming more and more suspect.

Respectfully

Derby2004 · Postby **Derby2004** » Mon Jan 31, 2005 7:43 pm

This is all true. I like Wild Again because he has a sires pedigree. He will prove himself eventually when he gets the right sons at stud. Hopefully Milwaukee Brew. I like Saint Ballado because he did so much with so little at the beginning. His sons babies will need time though. Straight Man definitely will need time.

FOS · Postby **FOS** » Mon Jan 31, 2005 7:44 pm

hi Derby2004

You take your strongly made...neat...compact...good bone...stakes-producing Valid Appeal mare to (6 furlongs in 1:07 3/5) and G3 winner Omega Code (by Elusive Quality out of a Deputy Minister that's out of an Exceller that's out of a Damascus that's out of a Bold Ruler)...and I suggest that for very little money ($7,500 stud fee) you could ring a VERY big bell at the sales.

I expect that every pinhooker in America would take a look.

Respectfully