what really gets to me, is that the same people talking about jess here are the same people that complain about horses retiring early, wondering why why why... YOU are reasonw why. you dont' apprciate a damn thing!
curlin could possibly.. not likely, but possibly, run at 5! and here you are taking his owner behind the woodshed!
He's not a saint I get that...b ut he has done more for the sport than you probably ever will.
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That stuff is simply for Grass horses and if we don't see that by now I don't know what else to say. It's not how the Europeans train their horses it's the surface. Look at the facts they did not have this much success until the surface was switched. When will the Triple Crown races switch to that different surface? And what will happen to those natural dirt horses. I am totally convinced it's for grass horses. The horse that won the classic was a grass mile specialist and would have never run had it been on dirt. Why are we changing our racing to suit other? Or is it for our horses???????
Was that the best for CURLIN?
Was that the best for CURLIN?
I think people should hope that the Euro's results are because of training. If it is because of breeding then it just goes to show that NA breeding is clearly inferior to other breeding: running on a different surface (dirt) just allowed the illusion that NA horses were as good as the rest of the world. I believe it is training.
Personally, I thought Curlin ran well. Good horses get beat sometimes, that's horseracing, if you want to bet on a sure thing try the stock market.
The performance of the European based 3yo's (Goldikova, Conduit, Raven's Pass, and Henry) further convinced me that BB and the rest of the US based 3yo's were a group of inferior horses.
Personally, I thought Curlin ran well. Good horses get beat sometimes, that's horseracing, if you want to bet on a sure thing try the stock market.
The performance of the European based 3yo's (Goldikova, Conduit, Raven's Pass, and Henry) further convinced me that BB and the rest of the US based 3yo's were a group of inferior horses.
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here is the thing that mistifies the living crap out of me
THE TOP 2 FINISHERS IN THE CLASSIC WERE KENTUCKY BREDS!!!!!
i think yesterday really hit home to owners.. you really do have to start spending the same money for good turf pedigrees as you do dirt.
it's not like they have this mystical forumla that only european horses know how to use.
Zarkava's sire is an old florida stallion. heart shaped by's storm cat.
Goldikova stallion was sent to france becuase his runners were too "turfy". kicking themslves now
THE TOP 2 FINISHERS IN THE CLASSIC WERE KENTUCKY BREDS!!!!!
i think yesterday really hit home to owners.. you really do have to start spending the same money for good turf pedigrees as you do dirt.
it's not like they have this mystical forumla that only european horses know how to use.
Zarkava's sire is an old florida stallion. heart shaped by's storm cat.
Goldikova stallion was sent to france becuase his runners were too "turfy". kicking themslves now
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I think people should hope that the Euro's results are because of training. If it is because of breeding then it just goes to show that NA breeding is clearly inferior to other breeding: running on a different surface (dirt) just allowed the illusion that NA horses were as good as the rest of the world. I believe it is training.
Personally, I thought Curlin ran well. Good horses get beat sometimes, that's horseracing, if you want to bet on a sure thing try the stock market.
The performance of the European based 3yo's (Goldikova, Conduit, Raven's Pass, and Henry) further convinced me that BB and the rest of the US based 3yo's were a group of inferior horses.
Personally, I thought Curlin ran well. Good horses get beat sometimes, that's horseracing, if you want to bet on a sure thing try the stock market.
The performance of the European based 3yo's (Goldikova, Conduit, Raven's Pass, and Henry) further convinced me that BB and the rest of the US based 3yo's were a group of inferior horses.
I'm not saying I like the poly. All I'm saying is that if you know poly is out there and you want to compete, you need to breed that way.
We were perfectly happy watching our horses dominate for years on the dirt. We can't stomp our feet and go home because somebody changed the sandbox. We're paying for being irresponsible breeders and selling off our best stock.
We were perfectly happy watching our horses dominate for years on the dirt. We can't stomp our feet and go home because somebody changed the sandbox. We're paying for being irresponsible breeders and selling off our best stock.
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Dave C wrote:I think people should hope that the Euro's results are because of training. If it is because of breeding then it just goes to show that NA breeding is clearly inferior to other breeding: running on a different surface (dirt) just allowed the illusion that NA horses were as good as the rest of the world. I believe it is training.
Personally, I thought Curlin ran well. Good horses get beat sometimes, that's horseracing, if you want to bet on a sure thing try the stock market.
The performance of the European based 3yo's (Goldikova, Conduit, Raven's Pass, and Henry) further convinced me that BB and the rest of the US based 3yo's were a group of inferior horses.
how can you come up with that conclusion? the vast majority of the winners were US Bred, including raven's pass and henrythenavgator. of all the winners, 3 of them were bred overseas
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Bid wrote:I'm not saying I like the poly. All I'm saying is that if you know poly is out there and you want to compete, you need to breed that way.
We were perfectly happy watching our horses dominate for years on the dirt. We can't stomp our feet and go home because somebody changed the sandbox. We're paying for being irresponsible breeders and selling off our best stock.
+1
horse racing as we know it just got a slap in the face and will never be the same. I think long term, it's what we needed.
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Sure, American football players should doff their gear and become soccer sissies, too. Because it's so-o-o-o international and cool.
well not exactly the right comparison. Soccer is a totaly different game. They should doff the gear and keep playing football, the name of the game is Rugby and it's not for sissies with protective gear...
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I distinctly remember people, lots of them actually, saying that red rocks would have no market in the US because "who wants to bred to a long distance turf horse"?
I'm pretty sure alot of farms would welcome red rocks, a son of Galileo, with open arms after the shallacking dirt bred stallions got yesterday.
I'm pretty sure alot of farms would welcome red rocks, a son of Galileo, with open arms after the shallacking dirt bred stallions got yesterday.
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The circular argument that we need to adopt European ways because we need to sways me not. It's only persuasive if one first admits that grass racing is superior because it's grass.
It's an argument for people who don't really have an argument. They like Euro-style racing and want to foist it on us like they do soccer.
If the Breeders think that they can offend American betting whales, go ahead. Pretty soon the "World Championships" won't even be on cable. Screw them.
It's an argument for people who don't really have an argument. They like Euro-style racing and want to foist it on us like they do soccer.
If the Breeders think that they can offend American betting whales, go ahead. Pretty soon the "World Championships" won't even be on cable. Screw them.
A lot of americans like to see them two yr olds ended up in pieces instead of giving them time to develop and racing them later on.
It,s just very sad (but for the breed the best) that zarkava was not in, she would cruished the whole field
Horsemanship is what it takes to keep them sound.
Next yr is another year and maybe it is turning 180 grades
It,s just very sad (but for the breed the best) that zarkava was not in, she would cruished the whole field
Horsemanship is what it takes to keep them sound.
Next yr is another year and maybe it is turning 180 grades