Looking to buy a stallion from track

[karenkarenn]

Hello,
My riding instructor Tammy is looking to expand her addition of Thoroughbred, Warmblood and Arab cross for Dressage. She is looking for a retired sound stallion to bred with several of her horses.
If anyone has or knows anyone that has a stallion that WILL BE TAKEN CARE OF and WILL be going to a good home. PM Me
She can pay from 0-$2500
I wanted to get this out before Christmas thats why I posted this in the General section

Karen

[st. louis kid]

Karen, you may have interest in a horse I raced named Ingles. He is 9 now and tired of competing. At one time he was a heck of a race horse and is very classy. His mom Atuf was a broodmare for Shadwell. His dam side breeding is great. First dam by Danzig, second dam by Seattle Slew and 3rd dam by Mr. P. His mom was a half sister to a great champion and successful sire in Austalia named Fraar. Not a bad disposition, just very studdish. He is at Fairmount Park near St. Louis, Mo.

[st. louis kid]

I correct myself, he will turn 9 on the first. Should add that I was told by some jock friends of mine who were in Mexico at the time that he was one of the best two years old in Mexico at the time and he won 5 straight races there. He has won a total of 16 times I believe in such places as Calder, Laurel, Oaklawn, Hawthorne, Arlington, Hoosier, etc. Not real tall but pure class when you look at him. Was a real professional in training.

[st. louis kid]

You can see a pedigree page for his dam Atuf at the Keeneland site, hip 3331 from the recent November 08 sale.

[summerhorse]

There are a couple stallions on the various CANTER listings (trainer listings). Not sure which states, I was looking through MidAtlantic, OH and somewhere else.

[Tucumcari]

Should horses we can buy for $2,500 or less really be breeding stock?
I know I won't be popular for this, but really? There are so many unwanted horses around. Not everyone should be a breeder and not every uterus needs to be bred.
Sorry.
Fire away.

[madelyn]

Wait A Minute. This gal is breeding DRESSAGE horses, not race horses. Totally different set of requirements. What makes a great dressage stallion prospect doesn't factor ANYWHERE in what makes a good race stallion prospect. Just look at movement. What is great in a dressage horse would be considered inefficient in the stride of a racehorse.

She could look for a FuPeg - they are usually gorgeous and good movers. Especially the ones that can't run.

I believe we should be Supportive of the breeders who want TB stock for other disciplines, rather than dismissive. I think she has a great shot to find a nice dressage sire prospect, 16.2-3, built like a Warmblood, that might not have a beyers above 70, for $2500 or less. If the horse is sound and can be trained to compete all the better - heck, dressage horses are in their PRIME at 9+ years old.

[st. louis kid]

Exactly, Ingles would not make a stallion to breed racehorses, not good enough record. He is a beautiful horse with great bloodlines though and would produce nice looking foals.

[KBEquine]

Should horses we can buy for $2,500 or less really be breeding stock?.

I know of a $16 million horse I wouldn't breed to because he couldn't stay sound enough to do his job . . . I do agree that not everything needs to be bred, but I think you are mistaking cost for value.

I once spent just $1,000 & bought nice TB stallion who'd disappointed his trainer one too many times & they just wanted him gone.

He turned into a good show hunter & an even better dressage horse, with conformation & temperament to die for - if you're into show horses.
In fact, he had a great everything, except he had developed a bad attitude about racing, kept dropping in tracks until he was sold off a podunk track because he didn't want to run any more.

Maybe a decade after he'd passed, I finally got curious about his race record because I'd heard that in his day, he was special. I looked up his race record & discovered he was a multiple graded stakes-placed winner of around $200,000 with a better race record & pedigree than most of the stallions then standing in our state.

His value was definitely above his price & as Madelyn says, if people are finding second careers for the glut of racehorses, I'm happy to encourage them.

[Tucumcari]

Who in their right mind would breed to the Green Monkey? He should be a gelding.
Breeding indiscriminately at this point in time is absolutely irresponsible. Regardless of what you are breeding for.
How many posts were on how many sites about one of our posters regarding the care and mistreatment of horses, "breeding" stock?
I don't want to turn this in to a bashing that individual thread, But that story is far from a rarity at present. It's so far reaching that the mustangs are at risk of mass killings.
There are horses that need homes. And food, and care. A new job, Gelding! Rescues of any and every breed are over run, Horses being given away because people can't afford them. Horses being abandoned and left to fend for themselves and ultimately die.
Just because we like a horse and it has balls or a uterus doesn't mean it should reproduce. Any FuPeg you could buy for $2500 likely has it's legs screwed on backwards and has some significant faults beyond being talentless as a race horse. More horses should be geldings. And fewer horses should be breeding stock.
I just can't see how the horse can afford people breeding without improving a breed. Grade mares bred to grade stallions. Registered stock bred just because.
I'm sorry.
There are way too many horses in crisis right now!

[Danzig]

Who in their right mind would breed to the Green Monkey? He should be a gelding.

If it makes you feel any better, JM had Demi gelded for selecting the GM.

[Skipitgirl]

Can we ask what Tammy's horses have done up to this point? Any National honors? USEF honors? How many breed approved foals? Premiums? Inspection champions? If she has a succsessful program up till now who are we to tell her no. If she is producing local level talent horses well then.....maybe not the time.

[helen in FL]

Well based on my stallion's race record the majority here thought he should have been gelded. Not seeing the horse in person and coming from a dying race line, had I been serious about putting racers on the ground I would have thought the same. But every single warmblood inspector and breeder that has seen him, and we are talking some of the top farms in the country, came to the same conclusion that he is most certainly worth his balls. They just don't make thoroughbreds like him anymore. And I can tell you I did not pay $2500 for him.
English performance horses are a completely different demographic in type than your modern race horse. Buying off the track we know we are going to have to put a lot of training and work into a horse before we see any results. By keeping the initial cost of the horse as low as possible there is a chance to come out a head for the resale.

[Tucumcari]

Can we ask what Tammy's horses have done up to this point? Any National honors? USEF honors? How many breed approved foals? Premiums? Inspection champions? If she has a succsessful program up till now who are we to tell her no. If she is producing local level talent horses well then.....maybe not the time.

Absolutely!

[Tucumcari]

Helen, people breed indiscriminately all of the time! And the horse population is suffering dearly.
Not taking anything away form your success.
It's hard to condone breeding cheap horses in any breed. I'll go out on a limb and say that people looking for an inexpensive genetic "gold mine" maybe shouldn't be breeding at present. (I'm going to really make zero friends.. ). Looking for inexpensive might be indicative of lack of finances to invest in a more suitable horse. I'm not saying this is the case here.
Breeding should be very selective. Breeding to improve a breed. Not breeding to be a breeder.
I also think that horses that are rescues that are still intact should be gelded before being adopted. Maybe they do.. I don't know.