Who is the tallest Palomino or Buckskin thoroughbred at stud

[Stephanie Smith]

Obviously there are a lot of stunning palomino and thoroughbred stallions out there, but who are the tall ones?

I did some research and found only 20 palomino and buckskin tbs in the US and canada.. And some of those are not bred via live cover..

Are there any that are over 16.2?



My boy will end up at 16.2 when he is done growing.. He is all legs at this point. He still has a lot of growing to do, mostly filling out and 1" taller to get to 16.2..

What colts are up and coming that will be a great addition to the palomino/buckskin world??

[BlazingColours]

I have two adult stallions that are quite tall.

"Cloud Ten" is 16.2h and should be done growing now, though he still has some filling out to do. Fabulous temperament and his first foals are due this year. Cloud Ten is a Palomino and White sabino. Obviously more white than palomino. He will produce BLING foals and dilute ones as well. He is going to be one to watch in the next few years as he develops as a sire and in the show ring.

Here is a recent conformation photo of him, sorry about the photo quality. It was scanned into my computer.


And another photo of him that is older.

[BlazingColours]

The second is ... "El Dorado" who is 16.3h though when you stand beside him he seems taller. He is a cremello, so he will produce palomino and buckskins 100% of the time. Very well mannered and such a sweet guy. He is being ridden regularly and we hope to have him out to some shows this season. He loves going out on trips and seeing new places.
He is by Glitter Please and out of Talk Of Gold (Milke). So there was no inbreeding to get the cremello colouring. He is available live cover for $1000.

Here is a link to photos of some foals by him. http://www.blazingcoloursfarm.com/eldor ... pring.html

And a recent conformation shot of El Dorado.

[BlazingColours]

And... Our Junior stallion is "Simba Twist" His is one year old this year and carries some large hopes and dreams for us. He will not be available until 2011 or 12 for breeding. He is by our oldest stallion, Sato, and out of Erotic Twist. Erotic Twist is Oldenburg approved and is out of the sought after "Twist" line in the Thoroughbreds. Simba Twist combines bloodlines, conformation, temperament and his unique colouring into one amazing package. He is all we could have hoped for and then some.

We have had several inquires to purchase this "one of a kind" Thoroughbred colt. He is not and will not be for sale. We have also had inquires on purchasing shares in him, which we have also turned down. We do have someone who is willing to help us get him through the WB testings in a couple years. That is as long as he matures into the stallion we think he should. So he is definatly one to keep an eye on.

http://www.blazingcoloursfarm.com/simba.html

Here are some photos of him as a youngster.

This is one of my favorties. Meeting another foal for the first time.


And this is cute.


And a couple older.




And this photo most seem to love...
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[madelyn]

I really like El Dorado.. did he ever compete under saddle?

[BlazingColours]

El Dorado has not done any competing under saddle. He was broke out as a 3-4 year old. Then because his owners did not have the time or desire to show him he was breeding only. I got him last year (April i think) and started him back. I had hoped to show him last season but he was not ready because he has only been back under tack for a few months and then show season was winding down. So this year should be much better with our timing.

Despite having so much time off, just hanging out, he was easy to start back. I was on the lunge line for 3 days then I got on. A really nice guy, who is easy to ride just needed to learn more than w/t/c. He could have really been something if he was started as a 3-4 year old and kept going. But as we all know people’s lives change and horses get put in the back burner all the time.

[TrueColours]

Remember My Name is by Guaranteed Gold out of Puchi Trap, making him a full sibling to Faux Finish (17hh as a 5 year old), Chai Latte and the 2008 filly - Nightlight

He (technically speaking!) will be 2 years old in June 2009 and is 16hh now, so we anticipate that he will mature to the 16.3-17hh range the same as Faux Finish

He is also dual registered as a Paint with the APHA and has a to-die-for head on him, gorgeous movement and very correct conformation. He is doing some test breedings this year in North America and will then head over to Scotland where he will continue on breeding, will get backed and presented to some of the WB associations for approval and will then start his show career as well

Here are a few pictures of him taken in January and February 2009:



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I just love this colt - I am going to miss him like crazy when he leaves!

[SouthernStar]

The tallest stallions I know of are going to be of the Glitter Please lines. El Dorado is the tallest stallion I know of although he is cremello. I might be more interested in the heights the dilute stallions throw. Not one random large foal, but average heights that are thrown.

[TrueColours]

SoutherStar - I disagree. On *PAPER* perhaps the GP line *SHOULD* be taller, but we all know that isnt how genetics work at all ...

These Guaranteed Gold/Puchi Trap youngsters are all going to hit 16.2hh++. Faux Finish as mentioned, is already 17hh as a 5 year old. Remember My Name is 16hh and isnt even technically 2 yet. The Nightlight filly from 2008 will probably get to the 17hh mark if not taller.

Guaranteed Gold is 16.1hh but he is VERY consistently throwing babies that are taller than he is and taller than the dam. Why - I dont have a clue - but it happens time and time again even out of mares that are genetically programmed to be smaller through successive generations like Arabians and Morgans. Those smaller (14.3-15hh) mares are consistently throwing GG babies that are maturing to the 15.2-16hh range

So ... as part and parcel of which dilute or DD stallion IS tall, should be the question (if it is important at all! ) is which is these stallions is KNOWN to pass on their height or greater ... as you have mentioned

[BlazingColours]

TrueColours, I will have to respectfully disagree with you on this one.

I know a previous client of yours who has 12+ GG foals. A good sized sample of what GG produces from mares of varies sizes and type. There are a couple big kids but they are out of tall/big mares and the rest are average and a few smaller. Just like the cross you mention where the kids are taller, he can produce height with the right mare. But does not on average throw horses 16.2h+.

El Dorado is a true 16.3H and he has produced, on average, quite tall horses. Breed him to a 15.2h Arab and you'll likely get a 16.1h+ kid. The GP lines, on average, are quite a bit taller than the Milke line horses and do produce more height. That we can all see on paper and in the flesh.

Hey SouthernStar, I will be interested to see what White Magic produces over the next 5 years and how his kids mature. If he is anything as sweet as his dam, he must be a real suck. His dam, Golden Belle, is still not doing very well. She is holding her own just not snapping out of her depression and eating well. Good luck showing him this year. And please do sent me photos

[madelyn]

TC, since GG is no longer available to North American breeders, I think the height he throws has become a moot point?

I have wanted for quite a long time to breed one of my mares to a cremello. Since Guaranteed Gold is leaving and, from my understanding, not covering outside mares, I have been looking for another one.

Zillionair is near here but not doing live cover. There is one in Lexington, but his JC registration was invalidated.

Another horse that throws nice colored babies is GPS Krugerrand, up in Pennsylvania. But the problem with palomino stallions is, being heterozygous, the breeder only has a 50% chance of getting color.

[SouthernStar]

SoutherStar - I disagree. On *PAPER* perhaps the GP line *SHOULD* be taller, but we all know that isnt how genetics work at all ...

Actually it's EXACTLY how genetics work. You MAY get a larger horse when you breed two smaller ones, but somewhere in the pedigree there is a reason for this. Larger horses don't just mutate

Of the DD stallions, White Magic 16.2 http://freedomsporthorses.com/WhiteMagic%20.htm El Dorado 16.3 http://www.blazingcoloursfarm.com and The Alchemist 17.1 http://www.gestuet-falkenhorst.de/gfalchemist.html Gwen has a GG mare as well http://www.gestuet-falkenhorst.de/gftbmares.html I believe she is on the smaller side.
I have a list somewhere of all the stallions and heights, I will look for it and post later.

BlazingColours if Simba disappears he headed south for some much needed sunshine and warm weather
I wish there was better news for Belle I hope she snaps out of her depression soon as she produces such nice foals.
Magic is such a sweet boy, we can't wait to see his first foals!

Madelyn pm me if you are interested in breeding to Magic.

[madelyn]

Thanks, but yikes I can't really ship a mare all the way to California and back. Ontario is even really too far, but I could haul there in one day and have family to stay with.

[BlazingColours]

Another horse that throws nice colored babies is GPS Krugerrand, up in Pennsylvania. But the problem with palomino stallions is, being heterozygous, the breeder only has a 50% chance of getting color.

True... But I have used palomino stallions several times because of what they offer other than just the colour. One of my main stallions for the past 4 years, has been Sato. He has produced some chestnuts but they do have everything else going for them. See here... http://www.blazingcoloursfarm.com/justalittle.html She was one of the top scoring TB's in North America with RPSI. Sato is on the smaller side (just barely over 16h) and he will not produce height on a small mare. Breed him to a 15.2h mare and you will get 15.2-16h. Breed him to a tall mare (16.2h+) and you should get something over 16.1h. He has great conformation, a very nice mind, lovely movement and is palomino and white to boot. His down fall is, like I said above, he will not throw tall foals from smaller mares. So Sato's son, Cloud Ten, is going to take over his place in the breeding shed because he has everything Sato does and the height. Will have to wait and see what he produces in the years to come. Soooo Madelyn, if you find a guy you like who is palomino, do not rule him out.

That being said, White Magic should be an interesting stallion that is being added to the gene pool. His dam, my mare Golden Belle, was GOV approved and is proving to be an outstanding broodmare. http://www.blazingcoloursfarm.com/goldenbelle.html She is a Glitter Please line mare and not really tall (between 16h and 16.1h) Her 2005 gelding is owned by an Amateur owner who raves about him (16.2-16.3 at 4years old.) The owner has had several trainers inquire about him. He is starting out his showing career this year. Her 2006 filly (16.1 at three) is owned by us as is her 2007 colt (16h at 2). She has produced horses nicer and taller than herself every time and from a variety of stallions. Her 2006 filly we are going to aim for the CUP classes at the Royal this year. So if you are considering WM, I think he is going to be an interesting guy to watch. But I understand a long way to ship your mare.

I do have a mare in KY right now being bred to Tiznow (a race stallion) so if you do want to ship your mare to Ontario, I may be able to swing a deal. For my mare to get shipped to Hopewell, not too far from Louisville was about $800 Canadian so about 670ish USD.

[madelyn]

Thanks - actually the last time I did an Ontario to Lexington, it was $400 per horse on IHT, to a depot in Lexington where I picked up the horse.
But the mare I have I would want to send only to a cremello. If I didn't specifically want color, I have a perfectly good, very beautiful bay TB stallion in my barn who is 16.1 and with this particular mare the colt will be 16.3. She is a big gorgeous chestnut, with some white and a big Bend Or splotch on her back, who throws her size. The issue is that she is in foal right now and would have to remain in KY through foaling.

My point is, from my perpsective, to go through all the trouble and expense of sending the mare out, I would have to have a 100% guarantee of colour, so all palominos are out.