Thoughts on the Triple Crown
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Thoughts on the Triple Crown
I have been reading many of these posts and maybe I missed the topic but isn't it a shame that Mine That Bird isn't going for the Triple Crown. This is not a guys vs girls comment but I think racing needed a TC winner this year. The economy stinks, racing is having major troubles and all Jackson can do is buy a filly to ruin the chance for a TCW. Rachel is by far capable of beating the boys as she has shown (she is an amazing thoroughbred period) but if Jackson was a true sportsman he would have understood that racing needs a TCW and Mine that Birds story is outstanding. That is just my two cents. Fire away if you like but when they start talking about the fact that the Preakness could go away and Maryland racing is in trouble, California racing cannot fill cards, I get worried. I am not a horseman I just truly enjoy the sport and everyone involved.
my opinion is that if you can't take all challenges that come your way and defeat all of them in the TC, then you don't deserve to win it.
Besides, if it wasn't RA entering, it could have been something else. A safety pin. Lameness. A fan appearing in the middle of the track. God knows all these things and more have happened.
Besides, if it wasn't RA entering, it could have been something else. A safety pin. Lameness. A fan appearing in the middle of the track. God knows all these things and more have happened.
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He did ruin it for alot of people. He should have just waited until the Travers. Alot of people dont understand that a filly and a colt can hook up at any time in the year, not just the preakness. I think it was very greedy of Jackson to buy a horse that wasnt nominated for the Tripple Crown races, and to ruin the Triple crown picture. Whats going to happen if MTB wins the Belmont... We COULD HAVE HAD A TRIPLE CROWN HORSE.
People dont see that. They only see what THEY WANT and not what horse racing REALLY NEEDS!
Do we really need another filly to beat the boys? Or do we need a triple crown horse. To Me its going to be very cowardice if RA doesnt run in the Belmont, after she destroyed the hopes and dreams of MTB Connections. Dont tell me that the best should compete against the best. SHE WASNT NOMINATED FOR IT.
RA was not supposed to be near the boys and greed set this partnership to see a downfall of the Triple Crown. The rich get their butts kissed and the people who have their dreams get smashed.
Califonia is starting to come around. We dont know whats going to happen @ Hollywood Park, so it might have been wise that they stopped the Wed racing. Im worried about Del mar. I have never been there.
As far as Golden Gate the meeting is coming to an end and I like it there. So we wait for the fairs circuits to start. Anyone know how New Mexico is doing?
People dont see that. They only see what THEY WANT and not what horse racing REALLY NEEDS!
Do we really need another filly to beat the boys? Or do we need a triple crown horse. To Me its going to be very cowardice if RA doesnt run in the Belmont, after she destroyed the hopes and dreams of MTB Connections. Dont tell me that the best should compete against the best. SHE WASNT NOMINATED FOR IT.
RA was not supposed to be near the boys and greed set this partnership to see a downfall of the Triple Crown. The rich get their butts kissed and the people who have their dreams get smashed.
Califonia is starting to come around. We dont know whats going to happen @ Hollywood Park, so it might have been wise that they stopped the Wed racing. Im worried about Del mar. I have never been there.
As far as Golden Gate the meeting is coming to an end and I like it there. So we wait for the fairs circuits to start. Anyone know how New Mexico is doing?
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Toccet02 wrote:my opinion is that if you can't take all challenges that come your way and defeat all of them in the TC, then you don't deserve to win it.
Besides, if it wasn't RA entering, it could have been something else. A safety pin. Lameness. A fan appearing in the middle of the track. God knows all these things and more have happened.
agreed. and I realy don't understand why this is so hard for people to undrstand.
what's next?
Let's just enter a bunch of claimers from Penn National in the preakness and belmont once we find out who the derby winner is so we an get our triple crown.
if you can't beat all comers of 3YO age, you do not deserve the triple crown.
Jess didnt' "ruin" a tirple crown, Mine That bird ruined it BY NOT WINNING THE RACE.
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JJ has an agenda. He wants to own/breed an HOY to an HOY to make a superhorse.
Triple Crown be damned!!!!!!!!!!! Only one thing counts in this scenario and that is JJ's ego trip.
JMHO
Triple Crown be damned!!!!!!!!!!! Only one thing counts in this scenario and that is JJ's ego trip.
JMHO
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What a weird argument "ruined by entering RA". I want the fastest healthy 3yos in each race peirod. Who cares if she wasn't originally nominated, thats why they have supplementary entry provisions. As cool as it would have been for MTB to be going for the TC what happened happened. Don't you just love horseracing!
For those who feel that Jess J ruined the TC by entering his filly, and a TC winner is what the sport "needs", have you thought of it this way:
Does the sport need a TC that was "handed" to the Derby winner?
If conditions during the classic races are made easier to facilitate a victory for the sake of a victory, is it a valid victory?
It certainly wouldn't be a satisfying victory, not for me.
Does the sport need a TC that was "handed" to the Derby winner?
If conditions during the classic races are made easier to facilitate a victory for the sake of a victory, is it a valid victory?
It certainly wouldn't be a satisfying victory, not for me.
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having all this hooblah about who is better, and Mtb's connections challenging RA in the Belmont is JUST AS GOOD as a triple crown as far as gaining fans for the sport...The KY Derby winner was beat....by a horse with the same amount of rest....I dont feel bad for him, he ran a great race...he will get is carrots and love no matter what.
What an absolute crock. RA was eligible for the Preakness, just like every other 3yo in the crop.
The truth is, she was just BETTER than MTB in the race. She handled him and won, fair and square.
And the arguments against Rags to Riches winning the Belmont, that she had more rest, doesn't apply to this filly because she had essentially the same amount of rest as the boys.
Mine That Bird COULD NOT BEAT the filly. It's not RA's fault and it's certainly not her connections' fault. It's his own.
You want to talk about negative agendas and bad publicity for the sport, than lets talk about MTB's owners attempting to keep her out of the race by entering horses who had no business, talent-wise, to be in the race. Talk about horrid sportsmanship.
If it hadn't been leaked as soon as it did, they would have went through with it.
Grow up people. Triple Crown winners are GREAT because they BEAT ALL THEIR OPPONENTS in each race. MTB couldn't replicate that feat like the last 30 before him.
And as far as what the sport needs, added interest from casual observers and the general public, the media has done a phenomenal job of hyping up RA's win. The story was picked up nationally by multiple sources across all demographics and it even started up a the discussion of feminine athletic ability and support across all sports.
Just check out the current Sports Illustrated.
The truth is, she was just BETTER than MTB in the race. She handled him and won, fair and square.
And the arguments against Rags to Riches winning the Belmont, that she had more rest, doesn't apply to this filly because she had essentially the same amount of rest as the boys.
Mine That Bird COULD NOT BEAT the filly. It's not RA's fault and it's certainly not her connections' fault. It's his own.
You want to talk about negative agendas and bad publicity for the sport, than lets talk about MTB's owners attempting to keep her out of the race by entering horses who had no business, talent-wise, to be in the race. Talk about horrid sportsmanship.
If it hadn't been leaked as soon as it did, they would have went through with it.
Grow up people. Triple Crown winners are GREAT because they BEAT ALL THEIR OPPONENTS in each race. MTB couldn't replicate that feat like the last 30 before him.
And as far as what the sport needs, added interest from casual observers and the general public, the media has done a phenomenal job of hyping up RA's win. The story was picked up nationally by multiple sources across all demographics and it even started up a the discussion of feminine athletic ability and support across all sports.
Just check out the current Sports Illustrated.
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Just before the Preakness gate sprang open on 2 may, every tom, dick and harry in racing had a common wish..that this year's triple crown
dream would stay alive 2 minutes later...and that the 30 years drought of a TC would finally end another 3 weeks later...in Belmont.
Now this is not going to be. It is unfare to call RA a party pooper..sports need a bona fide TC..Despite its scaping stunts..displayed so
amazingly in the derby..who here believes MTB is a better horse than Spectacular Bid or Silver Charm or Sunday Silence or Point
Given ? If these 4 guys (there are few others) didnt do it..and how could we expect it here ?
Few recall that MTB was almost a no-account prior to Derby..and dramatically became a household name only thereafter.. the tombs of his
past ancesters were then dug into...10 feet underground.. all trying to come up with stories why he SHOULD BE great...so preposterous
.....guess this is not the kind of trait that a true emperor is accorded with.
dream would stay alive 2 minutes later...and that the 30 years drought of a TC would finally end another 3 weeks later...in Belmont.
Now this is not going to be. It is unfare to call RA a party pooper..sports need a bona fide TC..Despite its scaping stunts..displayed so
amazingly in the derby..who here believes MTB is a better horse than Spectacular Bid or Silver Charm or Sunday Silence or Point
Given ? If these 4 guys (there are few others) didnt do it..and how could we expect it here ?
Few recall that MTB was almost a no-account prior to Derby..and dramatically became a household name only thereafter.. the tombs of his
past ancesters were then dug into...10 feet underground.. all trying to come up with stories why he SHOULD BE great...so preposterous
.....guess this is not the kind of trait that a true emperor is accorded with.
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This is almost too funny. Someone wrote on an earlier thread about how great a trainer Frank Whiteley was, in comparison to Asmussen.
Let's put this in context of the current discussion re. entering horses to exclude Rachel:
Whiteley is the fellow who entered his rabbit (Hedevar) against Dr Fager to help set up the race's pace so his closer (Damascus) had a chance. How is that (entering a rabbit) any different than entering multiple horses to exclude their most feared opponent? Either it's fair or it isn't. If not, than no one should be able to enter more than one horse in a race (trainer or owner). Talk about double standards.
Some trainers and owners will go to any lengths to win. Drugs, doping, milkshakes, vet's magic elixir ... you name it. Odd how we haven't heard much about Jeff Mullins on the national scene since he was busted in New York, isn't it?
As far as RA goes, it was the Preakness. Not the Derby. Big difference, IMO. I wonder if she'd had to face the boys in compiling sufficient graded earnings in order to get into the Derby and run there, if she'd still have enough left in the tank to run like she did in the Preakness. Of course, that's just conjecture; we'll never know. She was clearly best last Saturday.
Still a lot of racing to come this year. Sure hope she's not retired early, with one of those mystery injuries ... Glad Jess Jackson hasn't displayed a tendency to that kind of behavior in the past.
Let's put this in context of the current discussion re. entering horses to exclude Rachel:
Whiteley is the fellow who entered his rabbit (Hedevar) against Dr Fager to help set up the race's pace so his closer (Damascus) had a chance. How is that (entering a rabbit) any different than entering multiple horses to exclude their most feared opponent? Either it's fair or it isn't. If not, than no one should be able to enter more than one horse in a race (trainer or owner). Talk about double standards.
Some trainers and owners will go to any lengths to win. Drugs, doping, milkshakes, vet's magic elixir ... you name it. Odd how we haven't heard much about Jeff Mullins on the national scene since he was busted in New York, isn't it?
As far as RA goes, it was the Preakness. Not the Derby. Big difference, IMO. I wonder if she'd had to face the boys in compiling sufficient graded earnings in order to get into the Derby and run there, if she'd still have enough left in the tank to run like she did in the Preakness. Of course, that's just conjecture; we'll never know. She was clearly best last Saturday.
Still a lot of racing to come this year. Sure hope she's not retired early, with one of those mystery injuries ... Glad Jess Jackson hasn't displayed a tendency to that kind of behavior in the past.