Just received word that our mare still isn't in foal to In Excess... and that shareholders had been notified several months ago of a fertility problem. Needless to say, we were never notified and given the opportunity to move the mare... frustrating.
Anyone else out there know of stallions with problems? This might be a great place to share such information and help others avoid the problem we're having with In Excess.
Even the Score (libido), Kipling (libido), and War Front (fertility) come to mind...
By the way, hats off to Bernie Sams at Claiborne... He has been honest and upfront about War Front from the time they learned of the problem. Wish I could tilt my hat to all stallion managers, but unfortunately, Bernie is the exception to the rule.
stallions with fertility/libido issues...
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the people at sezwho farm ny are very upfront and honest......first hand experiance. rare..............would do biz with them again.
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nferro9925
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Try googling Equine Settle.
Also, ask your Vet as he must administer the SETTLE in order for the money back guarantee to be good.
I had a mare we covered four of five times last year and she caught and held after the Vet administered one dose of SETTLE.
griff
Also, ask your Vet as he must administer the SETTLE in order for the money back guarantee to be good.
I had a mare we covered four of five times last year and she caught and held after the Vet administered one dose of SETTLE.
griff
"We has met the enemy and he is us" [Pogo]
Are there any supplements that are supposed to help with stallion infertility??
I'm not talking about the fertility of 25 year old stallions but decreased fertility of young or middle age stallions that other wise seem to be in excellent health..
What abount treatable deseases?/
griff
I'm not talking about the fertility of 25 year old stallions but decreased fertility of young or middle age stallions that other wise seem to be in excellent health..
What abount treatable deseases?/
griff
"We has met the enemy and he is us" [Pogo]
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Found a The Horse.com article titled "New Developments in Stallion Nutrition" that said:
"Horse feeds tend to be high in linoleis acid," said Brinsko, "so the diets we're feeding horses are high in products that are not favorable for optimal seman quality or fertility."
The article goes on to say corn and soybeans are the major contributors to DPA, an Omega 6 fatty acid which contributes to infertility while flaxseed is a mojor source of DHA, an Omega 3 fatty acid which improves fertility..
I certainly going to start reading the ingrediant list on stuff I'm feeding and try to eleminate the major sources of soybeans and other omega 6 fatty acids..
I find it interesting that many are using calf manna to supplement their stallion's diet which is mostly dried milk and soybean meal and a significant souce of Omega 6 fatty acid.
We has indeed identified the enemy and he is indeed us
griff
"Horse feeds tend to be high in linoleis acid," said Brinsko, "so the diets we're feeding horses are high in products that are not favorable for optimal seman quality or fertility."
The article goes on to say corn and soybeans are the major contributors to DPA, an Omega 6 fatty acid which contributes to infertility while flaxseed is a mojor source of DHA, an Omega 3 fatty acid which improves fertility..
I certainly going to start reading the ingrediant list on stuff I'm feeding and try to eleminate the major sources of soybeans and other omega 6 fatty acids..
I find it interesting that many are using calf manna to supplement their stallion's diet which is mostly dried milk and soybean meal and a significant souce of Omega 6 fatty acid.
We has indeed identified the enemy and he is indeed us
griff
"We has met the enemy and he is us" [Pogo]
Be careful in reading labels, and assumptions. Soybean meal does not have any appreciable fat content Omega 6 or 3 as they have been removed. The omega 3 content of soybean oil is much greater than corn oil and many companies have gone to increaseing fats from soybean oil or whole roated soybean as opposed the fat comming from corn found in dried distillers grains and soubles. In addition soybean meal is relativley high in lysine, which tends to be the first limiting amino acid in most diets.
Nobody knows what the "true" requirements for Omega 3 fatty acids is, but there is general agreement that many equine diets could use more as it is found in higher levels in grasses and forages that horses are designed to consume.
Whole ground flax seed is the best vegetable source of Omega 3 fatty acids, but it is much lower than fish oil if it can be fed. There are source of deodorized fish oil, but they are not inexpensive and must be preserved with good antioxicant to prevent ancidity and the destruction of the Omega fatty acids. There are stabilize Calcium salts of these products that are being successfully used in cattle diets.
Omega 6 fatty acids are not all bad. They function to produce other prostaglandins and play a role in wound healing. Conjugated Linoleic acids (CLA) have been reported to have beneficial effect in cases of diabetes, which may have implications for horses with glygen storage issues, and may have anti cacer properties.
If I were designing a program to work with a stallion with fertility issues I would review the Omega 3 and 6 issue, but don't expect miracles. The macro and micro mineral content can also have a huge effect on proper spermatogenesis.
Nobody knows what the "true" requirements for Omega 3 fatty acids is, but there is general agreement that many equine diets could use more as it is found in higher levels in grasses and forages that horses are designed to consume.
Whole ground flax seed is the best vegetable source of Omega 3 fatty acids, but it is much lower than fish oil if it can be fed. There are source of deodorized fish oil, but they are not inexpensive and must be preserved with good antioxicant to prevent ancidity and the destruction of the Omega fatty acids. There are stabilize Calcium salts of these products that are being successfully used in cattle diets.
Omega 6 fatty acids are not all bad. They function to produce other prostaglandins and play a role in wound healing. Conjugated Linoleic acids (CLA) have been reported to have beneficial effect in cases of diabetes, which may have implications for horses with glygen storage issues, and may have anti cacer properties.
If I were designing a program to work with a stallion with fertility issues I would review the Omega 3 and 6 issue, but don't expect miracles. The macro and micro mineral content can also have a huge effect on proper spermatogenesis.