Southern Hemisphere Breeding

merse · Postby **merse** » Sun Aug 23, 2009 5:09 am

At the recent Saratoga Select Sale, Darby Dan consigned a colt by Encosta De Lago (AUS) who had been bred on Northern Hemisphere time. I've heard a few instances where mares will be bred to stallions in the Northern Hemisphere on "Southern Hemisphere time" - recently it as announced that Medalio D'Oro would be breeding some mares this way.

Do you think this is a growing trend?

kimberley mine · Postby **kimberley mine** » Mon Aug 24, 2009 7:00 am

I don't think it's a trend so much as a boutique item. If you want a particular mare served and exported, call the stud and ask. Otherwise, no.

There's been a bunch of mares bred on SH time and exported to the SH in foal for years now--I think the Oppenheimers did that with Horse Chestnut when he first went to stud. More recently, Kitten's Joy served some mares to sell in Aus when EI hit. That didn't go over very well.

da hossman · Postby **da hossman** » Tue Aug 25, 2009 9:11 pm

The Encosta De Lago colt was a result of Chuck Fipke (diamond guy) wanting a particular mare in Australia - once he bought her, considering the time of year, he decided to breed her to Encosta De Lago before importing her to the states rather than have her go empty for 18 months.

Not sure if that was a real sale - Baffert signs the ticket for a horse owned by a man he trains for....watch and see when this colt races if he is not in Fipke's silks.

I don't think it is a trend, just something that occasionally fits a specific situation. The shipping cost is extravagant to get the resulting foal to the appropriate market, health risk of such a long ship, etc. do not make it a very attractive commercial venture in my opinion.

Cryptic Ninja · Postby **Cryptic Ninja** » Sat Aug 29, 2009 5:38 am

Why don't they just send Medaglia D'Oro to Aus or NZ for southern hemisphere breeding. Its not like he's old.

Pacific Classic · Postby **Pacific Classic** » Mon Aug 31, 2009 9:01 am

"Just"?! Seriously, do you have any idea what it takes to export a horse? The risk to a horse of this caliber by shipping him around the world...let the mares come to him. Now, whether they should be breeding him year-round is another question.

madelyn · Postby **madelyn** » Mon Aug 31, 2009 11:04 am

I, too, was going to comment on the casual tone of the post suggesting MdO be shuttled. This post must have been written by someone who has never been close to that.. The shipping alone can be $10K plus quarantine. Shuttling is, generally speaking, incredibly hard on the horse. The horses that get shuttled when they first go to stud are the ones I think, in my opinion, the owners/managers have no confidence in. They are "cashing in" before the offspring start. The few shuttle deals I've been privy to, also, result in the lion's share of the shuttle breeding income going to the farm that hosts the stallion.

MdO, on the other hand, is a solid, PROVEN, horse who was just purchased by Darley. I can't imagine they got him at a bargain price. Why on earth would they risk shuttling? You want him? BRING him a mare.

brogers · Postby **brogers** » Mon Aug 31, 2009 9:22 pm

da hossman wrote:The Encosta De Lago colt was a result of Chuck Fipke (diamond guy) wanting a particular mare in Australia - once he bought her, considering the time of year, he decided to breed her to Encosta De Lago before importing her to the states rather than have her go empty for 18 months.

Actually that is not right. Encosta de Lago served one season in Ireland and that colt was one of the results.

da hossman · Postby **da hossman** » Tue Sep 01, 2009 12:05 pm

Thanks for the correction - I knew Fipke had bought the mare overseas and assumed Australia was the location....apparently the mare was bought in England or Ireland? Do you know if she was already in foal to Encosta De Lago when purchased or did Fipke make that mating decision?

Cryptic Ninja · Postby **Cryptic Ninja** » Wed Sep 02, 2009 12:14 am

[quote="madelyn"]I, too, was going to comment on the casual tone of the post suggesting MdO be shuttled. This post must have been written by someone who has never been close to that.. The shipping alone can be $10K plus quarantine. Shuttling is, generally speaking, incredibly hard on the horse. The horses that get shuttled when they first go to stud are the ones I think, in my opinion, the owners/managers have no confidence in. They are "cashing in" before the offspring start. The few shuttle deals I've been privy to, also, result in the lion's share of the shuttle breeding income going to the farm that hosts the stallion.

MdO, on the other hand, is a solid, PROVEN, horse who was just purchased by Darley. I can't imagine they got him at a bargain price. Why on earth would they risk shuttling? You want him? BRING him a mare.[/quote]

Darley is in the SHUTTLING business. If they can shuttle PROVEN sires like Street Cry to the southern hemisphere, Medaglia D'Oro is no different.

Whats this crap about " the lion's share of the shuttle breeding income going to the farm that hosts the stallion". Darley owns farms down under.
They aren't losing money to NOBODY!! :wink:

wallinga · Postby **wallinga** » Thu Sep 03, 2009 10:13 pm

kimberley mine wrote:I don't think it's a trend so much as a boutique item. If you want a particular mare served and exported, call the stud and ask. Otherwise, no.

There's been a bunch of mares bred on SH time and exported to the SH in foal for years now--I think the Oppenheimers did that with Horse Chestnut when he first went to stud. More recently, Kitten's Joy served some mares to sell in Aus when EI hit. That didn't go over very well.

the Kitten's Joys have only just turned one so I would wait and see how they sell. We've had Northern stallions covering to southern time for years, the amount of Nureyev's, Sunday Silence's, Sadler's Wells and even Oasis Dream's has been surprising. As is always the case though, only the one's out of good mares that were good individuals sold well. We are no longer some backwater of international breeding after all.

kimberley mine · Postby **kimberley mine** » Fri Sep 04, 2009 12:34 am

wallinga wrote: the Kitten's Joys have only just turned one so I would wait and see how they sell. We've had Northern stallions covering to southern time for years, the amount of Nureyev's, Sunday Silence's, Sadler's Wells and even Oasis Dream's has been surprising. As is always the case though, only the one's out of good mares that were good individuals sold well. We are no longer some backwater of international breeding after all.

As I recall, the mares in foal to Kittens Joy as a group did not sell well. I think quite a few of them were just not what the Australian market wanted.

With regard to being a backwater of international breeding, I never intended that.

wallinga · Postby **wallinga** » Sat Sep 05, 2009 7:34 pm

Sorry, i was being tongue in cheek

kimberley mine · Postby **kimberley mine** » Sun Sep 06, 2009 12:15 pm

An Aussie? Being cheeky? Never!

Seriously, I wish some of the down-under bloodlines would start working their way back to the northern hemisphere (Europe and Japan, mostly) the way some of the south american bloodlines have slowly started working their way into north america. Lonhro and O'Reilly and Pins immediately come to mind.

wallinga · Postby **wallinga** » Wed Sep 09, 2009 9:14 pm

kimberley mine wrote:An Aussie? Being cheeky? Never!

Seriously, I wish some of the down-under bloodlines would start working their way back to the northern hemisphere (Europe and Japan, mostly) the way some of the south american bloodlines have slowly started working their way into north america. Lonhro and O'Reilly and Pins immediately come to mind.

you're right, they should shuttle Lonny, they did with Reset and Exceed and Excel

Cryptic Ninja · Postby **Cryptic Ninja** » Sat Sep 12, 2009 7:40 am

They should send Octagonal there. He'll appreciate American bloodlines. Older the better.