***NJ Rule change***

pokeyman · Postby **pokeyman** » Thu Dec 03, 2009 7:17 am

Just found out that NJ has eliminated the program that makes a foal eligible for NJ-Bred status, regardless, of where it was foaled as long as the sire is a registered NJ stallion.

2009 was the last year of eligibility.

I wish I had known sooner........

mikec · Postby **mikec** » Thu Dec 03, 2009 7:20 am

What if the foal is actually born in N. J. but by a sire standing outside N. J. ?
In the past it didn't matter where the stallion stood as long as the foal was dropped in N. J.

pokeyman · Postby **pokeyman** » Thu Dec 03, 2009 8:52 am

From NJTBA website- 2 ways to get a registered NJ foal:

1. A resident New Jersey mare is a mare that resides in New Jersey continuously from September 1 of the year prior to the foaling through the date of foaling. A mare purchased at public auction subsequent to August 17th of the year prior to foaling, is considered a resident New Jersey mare provided that she commences residence in New Jersey within two weeks of her purchase and continuously resides in New Jersey through the date of foaling. For the purpose of this paragraph, public auction is defined as an auction generally regarded as a public auction in the thoroughbred horse industry and recognized as same by the Thoroughbred Breeders’ Association of New Jersey.

2. A non-resident New Jersey mare is a mare that has not returned to New Jersey by September 1 of the year prior to foaling. The resulting foal can still be registered as a New Jersey-bred provided the mare is bred to a registered New Jersey stallion the season of the birth of said foal and remain in New Jersey for a continuous period of 90 days after foaling.

There use to be 3 ways to get a NJ Foal. This is the rule that will be eliminated:

iii. Conceived in New Jersey by a “New Jersey” stallion” as defined in (b) 3 above but not foaled in New Jersey;

This rule allowed for a foal by a NJ stallion to be foaled anywhere but still registered as a NJ Bred.

mikec · Postby **mikec** » Thu Dec 03, 2009 9:47 am

Yes ; I've seen those changes. I do believe there are further changes regarding eligibility that are pending although I admittedly can't imagine what they might be.

BladeRunner · Postby **BladeRunner** » Thu Dec 03, 2009 10:03 am

The residence date was recently changed and approved by the NJRC, instead of Sept. 1, it is now Nov. 1, to have your mare in NJ in order for the foal to be eligible to be a registered NJ bred. If not in NJ by Nov. 1, (unless mare is purchased at a public auction) in order for the foal to be eligible, she must be bred back to a registered NJ stallion and remain in NJ for 90 consecutive days.

My understanding is that there was not a tremendous amount of interest in breeding to NJ stallions and dropping the foals in other states, maybe 10-15 per year. The THA and various owners and trainers complained vehemently about this rule, saying it was unfair that a horse that foaled in say PA, was eligible for the same races as a horse that foaled in NJ. Foals born in 2010 will be the last ones eligible for this status.

I believe those are the only changes on the horizon for NJ breeding.

mikec · Postby **mikec** » Thu Dec 03, 2009 10:15 am

And that clears that up ... thanks bladerunner !

pokeyman · Postby **pokeyman** » Thu Dec 03, 2009 10:38 am

Thanks, Bladerunner.

Unfortunately, we were one of the 10-15 foals that took advantage of that program.

Oh, well. Our loss!

bcassidy · Postby **bcassidy** » Thu Dec 03, 2009 11:33 am

Truely our loss. The selfish behavior of those farms looking for the mare board and keep for the 5 or 6 months that they must now stay in NJ hurts the the people keeping this program alive. Where do you run a J bred when NJ racing ends in early December until it opens again next May? Six months with nowhere to go and they want to shorten the NJ racing season even shorter. Very short sided thinking on some peoples part. I own a farm in NJ and still prefer the previous rules. They keep making it more difficult for us breed to race owners.

Tappiano · Postby **Tappiano** » Thu Dec 03, 2009 11:54 am

I can't imagine the farms in NJ are hurting because when I sent emails to them they couldn't be bothered to respond.

pokeyman · Postby **pokeyman** » Thu Dec 03, 2009 1:10 pm

bcassidy wrote:Truely our loss. The selfish behavior of those farms looking for the mare board and keep for the 5 or 6 months that they must now stay in NJ hurts the the people keeping this program alive. Where do you run a J bred when NJ racing ends in early December until it opens again next May? Six months with nowhere to go and they want to shorten the NJ racing season even shorter. Very short sided thinking on some peoples part. I own a farm in NJ and still prefer the previous rules. They keep making it more difficult for us breed to race owners.

You're right.

We took advantage and foaled in Mass but raced in NJ. So, the mare was bred to a NJ stallion; we hired a NJ trainer; and took out NJ licenses; and raced in NJ. That's still a lot of money going to NJ. Who cares where the mare foaled if the stallion is a NJ stallion. We all know that if you horse is not sired by Not For Love you will not win the stakes races anyway!! *wink*

Now, we will go to NY or MD and foal at our farm in MA as they both have stallion programs (NY Stallion Series and Maryland Million) so we will get a double bang for our buck. You have to look for the most versatile option in todays day and age.

I will go to KY and want to go to Prized for one mare (for his bloodlines) but definitely not every year. We tend to breed local every other year as it makes more sense.

When I called the NJTBA this morning they said they sent out the new rule change to members. Well, our membership expired in 2008. Don't you think you would want to advertise the rule changes to the general public and NOT just your members. There are a lot of breeders outside of NJ who would have been interested in the new rule change. I, for one, would have bred my mare to a NJ stallion this year and not a NY stallion. So, I'm bummed. I also had a contract all lined up to send her to a NJ stallion this Spring and then I got the bad news.

It's too bad. The NJ foal crop is declining and you would think they would want to do everything they can to help. It's not like they were getting overrun with us out of staters. Plus, like I said, that's money in their pocket that would be going elsewhere. It's too bad. I am very disappointed and more disappointed that I wasn't made aware of the rule change sooner.

rudydee · Postby **rudydee** » Thu Dec 03, 2009 1:51 pm

pokeyman

I don't know if you got a letter on this- The Beatles broke up!

The burden is on YOU to check and see if these various state breeding programs and their awards have changed.
The Mid Atlantic state breeding programs are constantly in flux.

BladeRunner · Postby **BladeRunner** » Thu Dec 03, 2009 2:22 pm

I'm pretty sure all rules changes and prospective rule changes were posted on the TBA website. There really is no other way to "advertise" it, other than actually taking an ad out in, say the Mid-Atlantic, but that wouldn't be very cost effective, would it? Also, if you've bred under that program already, your horses are still eligible, as will any foals born in 2010, those horses are grandfathered in. So, if you have one of those 10-15 foals, hey, you're still in luck. This rule change is only moving forward.

Lastly, here's a novel idea, how about actually dropping your foals in NJ? To sit here and blast farm owners as if they are greedy millionaires is an aberration. While this rule change does help some farm owners, the people who were really against this rule, were J-bred owners and trainers who said it was unfair that they had to go up against horses that were dropped in other states. Also, keep in mind that the farm owners are losing 2 months worth of board because of the change from Sept. to Nov. to getting your mares to NJ. Personally, I have a problem with that rule change.

BladeRunner · Postby **BladeRunner** » Thu Dec 03, 2009 2:27 pm

Tappiano wrote:I can't imagine the farms in NJ are hurting because when I sent emails to them they couldn't be bothered to respond.

You never called my farm. How many farms did you try?

pokeyman · Postby **pokeyman** » Thu Dec 03, 2009 3:39 pm

I don't know. I don't think it would have cost that much to put a little blurb in the Thoroughbred Times or the Blood-Horse. I am sure NY would have done so. I bet the publications would have done it as a news blurb without having to charge for an ad.

We have our own farm in MA so I am sure as heck not going to pay to board my horse somewhere else unless I have too.

You're right. I am whining! It was a perfect situation for us so you are darn right that I am whining!!!!! Boo-hoo!!!! :evil:

mikec · Postby **mikec** » Sat Dec 05, 2009 2:59 pm

Somebody mentioned njtba membership. Did they mail out renewals for 2010 or what ? I usually would have received it by now. Not that I'm lookin' to write another check but just wonderin' !
The good & bad of it all is I have my last 3 jersey breds hitting the track in 2010. After that, thus far, they're all Pa. breds. What a crying shame & not what we had planned at all !!!