Noble Causeway Wins 2005 Kentucky Derby

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Noble Causeway Wins 2005 Kentucky Derby

Postby George William Smith » Thu Mar 10, 2005 11:04 pm

It's Sun King, no its Declan's Moon. Can nobody beat this horse. Sun King yields and Declan's Moon looks like a good winner as he heads into the stretch at Churchill Downs. High Fly has no more, but wait, the female half of the pedigree begins to kick in for Bandini and Noble Causeway. Apparently, there is not enough bottom to Declan's Moon, pedigree-wise anyway as he begins to wilt when the real racing begins.

Bandini and Noble Causeway are evidently mommy's boys as they drive to the finish. Neither yields, but as the colts get closer to the finish line, Noble Causeway begins inch forward. It's gonna be a photo finish.

Scipion is flying from the back carrying his trainer's Racing Form comments that seem to be outright lies [lies are not heavy if they are little white lies]. Scipion wins....oh wait, that's another race.

Noble Causeway wins, Bandini second with Giacomo and Going Wild in a dead heat for third as they run right to the bottom half of their pedigrees.

And Scipion, to whom I am deeply attached naturally because of my connection with his being, is undone. Not his fault. Afterall, his trainer said he should have lost his first couple of races instead of winning that first start to teach him a lesson and get him to mature! His first start as everyone knows saw him descending from the clouds, being so far behind there was not a camerca on earth with that much of a wide angle lens, to win going away.

To prove his trainer's words of the need for a long stretch like Fairgrounds and Churchill Downs to bring out the best in the colt, Bianconi immediately raced him on the pace until he proved he was an ordinary colt that did not have lungs bigger than a 747.

Once he had Scipion down to the level of colt that needed to mature to get good, Scipion had the audacity to fall far off the pace in the Risen Star. Damn, if Scipion didn't fly at the end of that race just like his first start. But wait a minute, Biaconi's assistent trainer now jumped on the bandwagon and said something to the effect that he loves Fair Grounds and its long stretch.

Assistant trainer Pierre Bellocq Jr. is an embarassment with a very good colt. Doesn't he know, the Bloggers will out him and make him eat the words as they google search his previous comments. You just can't lie and get away with anymore if someone cares to correct the record.

How hard is it to look the running lines of Scipion's races and then read the comments in the Thursday March 10th, 2005 article by John Swenson. Lines [or lies] like "Patrick took his time with him and let him develop."

Nope, and not even close. Scipion immediately had to get beaten up in a stakerace [the Cradle I believe they call it]. And did he run from off the pace to use the stretch? Nope, he pressed the pace. Wait a minute, that was just the jockey probably. Certainly no trainer that had a MSW winner fly like that at the end of a race would intentionally run him near the pace and have him explode. Yep, probably the jockey. After all, trainers are smart. Jockeys just do what they want anyway. Yeah, right.

Wait a minute, letting him mature meant that he had to start in an allowance race, get bet and let everyone down when he was used as a presser. Was that the trainer's fault? Nope, just part of the plan to get huge odds in the Risen Star. Yeah, right.

"Patrick had the Louisiana Derby in mind for Scipion all along. In large part because he thought the late-running colt would benefit from the length of the Fair Grounds stretch." Yeah, and I'm scaling Mt. Everest next winter.

What in all probability we have here is a couple of trainers who watch the colt in their charge run two monster races from off the pace. Hmmm, it appears that this horses likes to run at horses. You think? Yep, I'm pretty confident about that. I think I'll run him in the Lousiana Derby where he can use that long stretch to prove me right.

One of three things will happen in the Louisiana Derby. One, Scipion may prove he can't read and do what he want's anyway and that might be to win the Louisiana Derby because he's the best horse and like I said, he can't read. Two, he will press the pace, three to five lengths off the leaders and fail like he has done before and no one will take the blame but most will point to Gary Stevens who apparently thought he was on Seabiscuit. Three, he will get so far behind that the others will have finished before he heads into the stretch [probably an exaggeration], but they go so slow that he would need to run the half in world record time.

And by the way, Noble Causeway wins the photo. Scipion did not make the starting gate at the Derby. He needs more time to mature, you know.

Afterall, none of the foals that were a direct result of my input have ever won the Derby or even been an entrant, though a dam that I helped come into being had her son win the Derby. I am prepared for more disappointment in that race.

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Postby llbean » Fri Mar 11, 2005 9:43 am

Hi George,

That line on the Bloggers really cracked me up (and also the thing about it all being the fault of the Jockeys). BTW, I think Biancone and Haskin might know each other based on this:

5 SCIPION
Patrick Biancone A.P. Indy--Strawberry Reason,
by Strawberry Road Worked a mile in 1:41 for Louisiana Derby. Should love return to Fair Grounds' long stretch. But still has to show he can beat the top-level horses and turn in the same explosive kick from mid-pack. Acid test coming up.

Incidently, you do know Noble Causeway hasn't won a Stakes yet, right?

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Re: Noble Causeway Wins 2005 Kentucky Derby

Postby siegy » Sat Mar 12, 2005 11:46 am

George William Smith wrote:It's Sun King, no its Declan's Moon. Can nobody beat this horse. Sun King yields and Declan's Moon looks like a good winner as he heads into the stretch at Churchill Downs. High Fly has no more, but wait, the female half of the pedigree begins to kick in for Bandini and Noble Causeway. Apparently, there is not enough bottom to Declan's Moon, pedigree-wise anyway as he begins to wilt when the real racing begins.

Bandini and Noble Causeway are evidently mommy's boys as they drive to the finish. Neither yields, but as the colts get closer to the finish line, Noble Causeway begins inch forward. It's gonna be a photo finish.

Scipion is flying from the back carrying his trainer's Racing Form comments that seem to be outright lies [lies are not heavy if they are little white lies]. Scipion wins....oh wait, that's another race.

Noble Causeway wins, Bandini second with Giacomo and Going Wild in a dead heat for third as they run right to the bottom half of their pedigrees.

And Scipion, to whom I am deeply attached naturally because of my connection with his being, is undone. Not his fault. Afterall, his trainer said he should have lost his first couple of races instead of winning that first start to teach him a lesson and get him to mature! His first start as everyone knows saw him descending from the clouds, being so far behind there was not a camerca on earth with that much of a wide angle lens, to win going away.

To prove his trainer's words of the need for a long stretch like Fairgrounds and Churchill Downs to bring out the best in the colt, Bianconi immediately raced him on the pace until he proved he was an ordinary colt that did not have lungs bigger than a 747.

Once he had Scipion down to the level of colt that needed to mature to get good, Scipion had the audacity to fall far off the pace in the Risen Star. Damn, if Scipion didn't fly at the end of that race just like his first start. But wait a minute, Biaconi's assistent trainer now jumped on the bandwagon and said something to the effect that he loves Fair Grounds and its long stretch.

Assistant trainer Pierre Bellocq Jr. is an embarassment with a very good colt. Doesn't he know, the Bloggers will out him and make him eat the words as they google search his previous comments. You just can't lie and get away with anymore if someone cares to correct the record.

How hard is it to look the running lines of Scipion's races and then read the comments in the Thursday March 10th, 2005 article by John Swenson. Lines [or lies] like "Patrick took his time with him and let him develop."

Nope, and not even close. Scipion immediately had to get beaten up in a stakerace [the Cradle I believe they call it]. And did he run from off the pace to use the stretch? Nope, he pressed the pace. Wait a minute, that was just the jockey probably. Certainly no trainer that had a MSW winner fly like that at the end of a race would intentionally run him near the pace and have him explode. Yep, probably the jockey. After all, trainers are smart. Jockeys just do what they want anyway. Yeah, right.

Wait a minute, letting him mature meant that he had to start in an allowance race, get bet and let everyone down when he was used as a presser. Was that the trainer's fault? Nope, just part of the plan to get huge odds in the Risen Star. Yeah, right.

"Patrick had the Louisiana Derby in mind for Scipion all along. In large part because he thought the late-running colt would benefit from the length of the Fair Grounds stretch." Yeah, and I'm scaling Mt. Everest next winter.

What in all probability we have here is a couple of trainers who watch the colt in their charge run two monster races from off the pace. Hmmm, it appears that this horses likes to run at horses. You think? Yep, I'm pretty confident about that. I think I'll run him in the Lousiana Derby where he can use that long stretch to prove me right.

One of three things will happen in the Louisiana Derby. One, Scipion may prove he can't read and do what he want's anyway and that might be to win the Louisiana Derby because he's the best horse and like I said, he can't read. Two, he will press the pace, three to five lengths off the leaders and fail like he has done before and no one will take the blame but most will point to Gary Stevens who apparently thought he was on Seabiscuit. Three, he will get so far behind that the others will have finished before he heads into the stretch [probably an exaggeration], but they go so slow that he would need to run the half in world record time.

And by the way, Noble Causeway wins the photo. Scipion did not make the starting gate at the Derby. He needs more time to mature, you know.

Afterall, none of the foals that were a direct result of my input have ever won the Derby or even been an entrant, though a dam that I helped come into being had her son win the Derby. I am prepared for more disappointment in that race.

:wink:

hi george,
boy,oh boy, poor you hanging really out there!
her are the numbers, 6-1-0-6-2 0.88-0.20 a0.92 gom
(=gram of mass) which is a genetic value!!
no horse of the last century within the 40 top's and no center support has
been a winner in the derby!
bon chance mon amie,
regrad's Siegy, :wink:

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Postby Joe » Wed Mar 16, 2005 10:33 pm

I will support George on this. I've seen a lot of the Giant's Causeways and am very impressed. They are frankly all good looking. Can they run to their pedigree, time will tell.

I agree they've been a bit coming to hand, but there may be some money made down the road. I'm not giving up on him yet.

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Postby Jeff » Fri Mar 18, 2005 11:50 pm

Sweet Catomine (she's a man eater), Rockport Harbor, Noble Causeway to show.

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Postby Joe » Tue Mar 22, 2005 9:51 pm

I think we are going to see some bizarre things in the coming years regarding the Derby. I think we are going to see doctrines and molds broken. the nature of the business has changed. I can see a non-Stakes winning horse winning the Derby. It's plausible.

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Postby George William Smith » Mon Apr 04, 2005 9:09 pm

Okay, so Declan's Moon and Scipion are both out so they won't get to the final. But considering I wrote this when both Noble Causeway and Bandini had just broken their maidens, this far out prediction seems a little closer to reality. Of course the prediction was just a tasteless display of my confidence in the GSV and even I knew that no program could possibly be this good. But luck plays a big part in this game.

ps. This is another tasteless display of saying told you, because I felt I'd better do it now before either is declared off the derby trail . LOL :roll: :roll:

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Postby wilf » Tue Apr 05, 2005 12:32 pm

George I hope you have re-stocked your medication as its still a month to go and you are coming apart at the seams. I understand perfectly as you have put your choices out there for all to see and criticize so good luck to you.I personally think that its a moderate year and any one of a dozen horses can get the job done with luck in their corner. I love horses like Greater Good and High Fly and Noble Causeway for their consistency and obviously like a bunch of others for their talent. All in all it will be a thrilling triple crown with probably 3 different winners. This just makes me so mad that I did not visit the mighty Spectacular Bid in upstate New York as he was truly a GREAT 3 yr old growing up to be an all time champion, a phrase I do not use lightly.Shame on me.Written with respect.

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Postby George William Smith » Tue Apr 05, 2005 6:47 pm

We have socialized medicine in Canada. The only problem is it takes forever to get operated on. Still waiting for a lobotomy. Aw the Bid. He was Spectacular. One of my favorites.

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Postby WarHorse » Tue Apr 05, 2005 6:48 pm

I'd rather have a bottle in front of me than a frontal lobotomy.
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Postby wilf » Tue Apr 05, 2005 7:07 pm

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Postby Joe » Tue Apr 05, 2005 10:49 pm

George,

I am still a fan of Noble Causeway. He ran a very good Florida Derby and another race at Gulfstream which is an extremely biased track against closers. He seemed to get a bit wobbly-legged in the FLa. Derby, but that is ok. He covered a lot of ground on a speed favoring track. From my observations of the meet, he was about the only horse who closed on the leaders from a distance back. Is he a bit immature, yes, but I think Gulfstream helped him.

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The dream still lives

Postby George William Smith » Sun Apr 17, 2005 8:14 pm

Noble Causeway wins, Bandini second with Giacomo and Going Wild in a dead heat for third as they run right to the bottom half of their pedigrees.


The dream still lives, barely or is that what you wear on a really, really hot summer day. LOL

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Postby Sam » Sun Apr 17, 2005 10:10 pm

Joe wrote:I can see a non-Stakes winning horse winning the Derby. It's plausible.

It's already happened. Many times.

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Postby louis finochio » Mon Apr 18, 2005 6:53 am

Noble Causeway may win the Derby but with his 10 crosses of (Phalaris)
Noble Causeway doesnt have the hybrid vigor to win all the TC races.

Affirmed TC winner had 2 crosses of (Phalaris) and Secretariat had 1 of (Phalairs) which gives both hybrid vigor to become TC winners.

The TB of today are in need of an Non-(Phalaris) outcross, as the top heavy of (Phalaris) is the reason are TB cant win all 3 jewels of the TC.

After a TB runs in the Derby most of them that are from the above sire lines will go off their feed, as they had to much taken out of them from their Derby effort.

This is the reason the TC winners have become a scarce commodity today.
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