A Smoke Glacken Wins A Grade I @ The Classic Distance

[zinn21]

Persistently wins the Personal Ensign..This one has me baffled. I don't think there is a Smoke Glacken that has ever won a Graded stakes @ a mile and a sixteenth or above. Anyone care to take a shot pedigree wise explaining this one?

[zinn21]

Actually Smokn Frolic is a Graded Stakes winner @ a mile and a sixteenth but believe she is the only one other than Persistently.

[Shergar]

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[diomed]

Zinn, look at the mare's side of that pedigree.
Actually, it's a clever mating. Giving a dose of speed to stamina rich family before it turns into a plodding disaster.

[xfactor fan]

Smokn Frolic is from family 1x and traces back to La Troienne via Big Hurry.

Persistently (if my research is correct) has the same mtDNA that fueled Domino.

Perhaps some combination of conformation, muscle type and mtDNA can explain the wins.

[Tappiano]

Everyone said the same thing about Yonaguska and why Musket Man would never get a mile and a quarter and he gave a pretty darn good showing.

[siegy]

Smokn Frolic is from family 1x and traces back to La Troienne via Big Hurry.

Persistently (if my research is correct) has the same mtDNA that fueled Domino.

Perhaps some combination of conformation, muscle type and mtDNA can explain the wins.

Xfactor,

impact value:

domino = 1.95

Persistently = 2.10

Siegy,

[zinn21]

Read the Footnotes won the Fountain of Youth at 8.5 furlongs. He also won the Remson at 9 furlongs. They are both G-II races???

I must have pulled up the wrong stallion yesterday when I checked Read The Footnotes..

Actually, it's a clever mating. Giving a dose of speed to stamina rich family before it turns into a plodding disaster.

I thought the conventional wisdom was, injecting speed into a stamina laden bottom line rarely works. It certainly worked well with this match. Would love to know the back-story on how Phipps came to Smoke Glacken for this mare..

[xfactor fan]

Actually I've always heard, Speed on the top, Class on the bottom to get a horse that can get the classic distances.

[Shergar]

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[oliverstoned]

Don't forget the "Shug" factor in all this as well.

[Pan Zareta]

Persistently (if my research is correct) has the same mtDNA that fueled Domino.

Maybe. Persistently's ff 20-b. Domino's ff 23-b. Multiple haplotypes have been documented in both families 20 & 23, but no correlations with pedigree or lineage have been made public. If Domino & Persistently share a haplotype it's the same haplogroup C haplotype documented by Hill et al. 2002 in ff 6.

[diomed]

I think the studies of female lines is very exciting. They suspect that many aptitudes are involved. Some female lines add stamina and some add speed. Food for thought. The only thing that sucks is it is becoming a tool for the filthy rich instead of public knowledge.

[xfactor fan]

I'll have to go back and double check, but when I was looking into female families--both from the Hill study, and from some of the genome data from links you provided. I've got families 20, 23 as part of the N clade. Also part of family 6 is N, while the other part of that family is C.

However it has been a couple of years since I last looked at the families, so more information could have come to light, or it is a goof. Either is quite possible.

[xfactor fan]

Diomed, I though the same thing which is why I was trying to look at QH female families.

Since there seem to be 5 energy profiles--3 sprinting 2 distace, it seemed logical to look at QH's for speed, and winners of long races for distance profiles. Another place to look for distace mtDNA might be in 3 day eventing horses.

And from a very small sample--around 30 horses, there didn't seem to be much overlap.

On another note, have you looked at the http://www.pegasusprofile.com/ ?

They seem to be looking at markers, and will match your horse with horses with the same markers. I'd love to see a report of several sets of full siblings.