How Did Winners Of Prep Races Run In Kentucky Derby

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[wangkw]

[Bast]

I suggest you look into the winners (and those finishing 2nd and 3rd) in the Remsen Stakes, since it was run at 1 1/8 miles:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Remsen_Stakes

[wangkw]

I suggest you look into the winners (and those finishing 2nd and 3rd) in the Remsen Stakes, since it was run at 1 1/8 miles:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Remsen_Stakes

Hi..OK...I will put it in today.

[Bast]

I suggest you look into the winners (and those finishing 2nd and 3rd) in the Remsen Stakes, since it was run at 1 1/8 miles:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Remsen_Stakes

Hi..OK...I will put it in today.

It's not a race of high status like the Champagne or Hopeful, but if you look back over the years, some good 3 y os have emerged from it. I wish that the BC Juvenile was run at this distance so that it might be more of a preview of what is to come.

[wangkw]

Selected 14 "prep races" :

17-Jan 8.5f ROBERT LEWIS MEMORIAL
14-Feb 8.5f FOUNTAIN OF YOUTH STAKES
1-Mar 8f SAN RAFAEL STAKES
9-Mar 8.5f LOUISIANA DERBY
16-Mar 8.5f SAN FELIPE HANDICAP
17-Mar 9f FLORIDA DERBY
17-Mar 8f GOTHAM STAKES
20-Mar 9f LANE'S END STAKES
6-Apr 9f SANTA ANITA DERBY
7-Apr 9f ILLINOIS DERBY
12-Apr 9f WOOD MEMORIAL STAKES
12-Apr 9f BLUE GRASS STAKES
12-Apr 9f ARKANSAS DERBY
19-Apr 8.5f LEXINGTON STAKES


Selected 8 Juvenile races :

14-Sep 7f FUTURITY STAKES
27-Sep 8f ARLINGTON-WASHINGTON FUTURITY
5-Oct 8.5f NORFOLK STAKES
9-Oct 8f CHAMPAGNE STAKES
9-Oct 8.5f BREEDERS' FUTURITY
6-Nov 8.5f BREEDERS' CUP JUVENILE
30-Nov 9f REMSEN STAKE
19-Dec 8.5f CASHCALL FUTURITY(HOLLYWOOD FUTURITY)

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2010 ICE BOX2 2nd KENTUCKY DERBY
2010 ICE BOX2 FLORIDA DERBY

2009 PIONEEROF THE NILE 2nd KENTUCKY DERBY
2009 PIONEEROF THE NILE ROBERT LEWIS MEMORIAL
2009 PIONEEROF THE NILE SAN FELIPE HANDICAP
2009 PIONEEROF THE NILE SANTA ANITA DERBY
2008 PIONEEROF THE NILE CASHCALL FUTURITY

2009 MUSKET MAN 3rd KENTUCKY DERBY
2009 MUSKET MAN ILLINOIS DERBY

2008 BIG BROWN 1st KENTUCKY DERBY
2008 BIG BROWN FLORIDA DERBY

2007 STREET SENSE 1st KENTUCKY DERBY
2006 STREET SENSE BREEDERS CUP JUVENILE

2007 CURLIN 3rd KENTUCKY DERBY
2007 CURLIN ARKANSAS DERBY

2006 BARBARO4 1st KENTUCKY DERBY
2006 BARBARO4 FLORIDA DERBY

2005 AFLEET ALEX 3rd KENTUCKY DERBY
2005 AFLEET ALEX ARKANSAS DERBY

2004 SMARTY JONES 1st KENTUCKY DERBY
2004 SMARTY JONES ARKANSAS DERBY

2004 LION HEART2 2nd KENTUCKY DERBY
2003 LION HEART2 CASHCALL FUTURITY

2004 IMPERIALISM4 3rd KENTUCKY DERBY
2004 IMPERIALISM4 SAN RAFAEL STAKES

2003 PEACE RULES 3rd KENTUCKY DERBY
2003 PEACE RULES LOUISIANA DERBY
2003 PEACE RULES BLUE GRASS STAKES

2003 EMPIRE MAKER 2nd KENTUCKY DERBY
2003 EMPIRE MAKER FLORIDA DERBY
2003 EMPIRE MAKER WOOD MEMORIAL STAKES

2002 WAR EMBLEM2 1st KENTUCKY DERBY
2002 WAR EMBLEM2 ILLINOIS DERBY

2002 PROUD CITIZEN 2nd KENTUCKY DERBY
2002 PROUD CITIZEN LEXINGTON STAKES

2001 MONARCHOS 1st KENTUCKY DERBY
2001 MONARCHOS FLORIDA DERBY

2001 CONGAREE 3rd KENTUCKY DERBY
2001 CONGAREE WOOD MEMORIAL STAKES

2000 FUSAICHI PEGASUS 1st KENTUCKY DERBY
2000 FUSAICHI PEGASUS WOOD MEMORIAL STAKES
2000 FUSAICHI PEGASUS SAN FELIPE HANDICAP

1999 MENIFEE2 2nd KENTUCKY DERBY
1999 MENIFEE2 BLUE GRASS STAKES

1999 CHARISMATIC2 1st KENTUCKY DERBY
1999 CHARISMATIC2 LEXINGTON STAKES

1999 CAT THIEF 3rd KENTUCKY DERBY
1998 CAT THIEF BREEDERS FUTURITY

1998 REAL QUIET 1st KENTUCKY DERBY
1997 REAL QUIET CASHCALL FUTURITY

1998 VICTORY GALLOP 2nd KENTUCKY DERBY
1998 VICTORY GALLOP ARKANSAS DERBY

1998 INDIAN CHARLIE2 3rd KENTUCKY DERBY
1998 INDIAN CHARLIE2 SANTA ANITA DERBY

1997 FREE HOUSE 3rd KENTUCKY DERBY
1997 FREE HOUSE SAN FELIPE HANDICAP
1997 FREE HOUSE SANTA ANITA DERBY
1996 FREE HOUSE NORFOLK STAKES

1997 CAPTAIN BODGIT 2nd KENTUCKY DERBY
1997 CAPTAIN BODGIT FLORIDA DERBY
1997 CAPTAIN BODGIT WOOD MEMORIAL STAKES

1996 PRINCE OF THIEVES 3rd KENTUCKY DERBY
1996 PRINCE OF THIEVES ROBERT LEWIS MEMORIAL

1996 GRINDSTONE 1st KENTUCKY DERBY
1996 GRINDSTONE LOUISIANA DERBY

1996 CAVONNIER 2nd KENTUCKY DERBY
1996 CAVONNIER SANTA ANITA DERBY

1995 THUNDER GULCH 1st KENTUCKY DERBY
1995 THUNDER GULCH FOUNTAIN OF YOUTH STAKES
1995 THUNDER GULCH FLORIDA DERBY
1994 THUNDER GULCH REMSEM STAKES

1995 TEJANO RUN 2nd KENTUCKY DERBY
1994 TEJANO RUN BREEDERS FUTURITY

1995 TIMBER COUNTRY 3rd KENTUCKY DERBY
1994 TIMBER COUNTRY BREEDERS CUP JUVENILE
1994 TIMBER COUNTRY CHAMPAGNE STAKES

1994 GO FOR GIN 1st KENTUCKY DERBY
1993 GO FOR GIN REMSEM STAKES

1993 SEA HERO 1st KENTUCKY DERBY
1992 SEA HERO CHAMPAGNE STAKES

1993 PRAIRIE BAYOU 2nd KENTUCKY DERBY
1993 PRAIRIE BAYOU BLUE GRASS STAKES

1992 DANCE FLOOR 3rd KENTUCKY DERBY
1992 DANCE FLOOR FOUNTAIN OF YOUTH STAKES
1991 DANCE FLOOR BREEDERS FUTURITY

1991 STRIKE THE GOLD 1st KENTUCKY DERBY
1991 STRIKE THE GOLD BLUE GRASS STAKES

1991 BEST PAL 2nd KENTUCKY DERBY
1990 BEST PAL NORFOLK STAKES
1990 BEST PAL CASHCALL FUTURITY

1991 MANE MINISTER 3rd KENTUCKY DERBY
1991 MANE MINISTER ROBERT LEWIS MEMORIAL

1990 UNBRIDLED 1st KENTUCKY DERBY
1990 UNBRIDLED FLORIDA DERBY

1990 SUMMER SQUALL 2nd KENTUCKY DERBY
1990 SUMMER SQUALL BLUE GRASS STAKES

1989 SUNDAY SILENCE 1st KENTUCKY DERBY
1989 SUNDAY SILENCE SAN FELIPE HANDICAP
1989 SUNDAY SILENCE SANTA ANITA DERBY

1989 EASY GOER 2nd KENTUCKY DERBY
1989 EASY GOER WOOD MEMORIAL STAKES
1989 EASY GOER GOTHAM STAKES
1988 EASY GOER CHAMPAGNE STAKES

1988 WINNING COLORS 1st KENTUCKY DERBY
1988 WINNING COLORS SANTA ANITA DERBY

1988 RISEN STAR 3rd KENTUCKY DERBY
1988 RISEN STAR LOUISIANA DERBY
1988 RISEN STAR LEXINGTON STAKES

1988 FORTY NINER 2nd KENTUCKY DERBY
1988 FORTY NINER FOUNTAIN OF YOUTH STAKES
1987 FORTY NINER BREEDERS FUTURITY
1987 FORTY NINER CHAMPAGNE STAKES
1987 FORTY NINER FUTURITY STAKES

1987 BET TWICE 2nd KENTUCKY DERBY
1987 BET TWICE FOUNTAIN OF YOUTH STAKES
1986 BET TWICE ARLINGTON-WASHINGTON FUTURITY

1986 FERDINAND 1st KENTUCKY DERBY
1986 FERDINAND ROBERT LEWIS MEMORIAL

1986 BROAD BRUSH 3rd KENTUCKY DERBY
1986 BROAD BRUSH WOOD MEMORIAL STAKES

1985 STEPHANS ODYSSEY 2nd KENTUCKY DERBY
1985 STEPHANS ODYSSEY LEXINGTON STAKES
1984 STEPHANS ODYSSEY CASHCALL FUTURITY

1985 SPEND A BUCK 1st KENTUCKY DERBY
1984 SPEND A BUCK ARLINGTON-WASHINGTON FUTURITY

1985 CHIEFS CROWN 3rd KENTUCKY DERBY
1985 CHIEFS CROWN BLUE GRASS STAKES
1984 CHIEFS CROWN BREEDERS CUP JUVENILE
1984 CHIEFS CROWN NORFOLK STAKES

1984 SWALE 1st KENTUCKY DERBY
1984 SWALE FLORIDA DERBY
1983 SWALE BREEDERS FUTURITY
1983 SWALE FUTURITY STAKES

1983 SUNNYS HALO 1st KENTUCKY DERBY
1983 SUNNYS HALO ARKANSAS DERBY

1983 DESERT WINE 2nd KENTUCKY DERBY
1983 DESERT WINE SAN RAFAEL STAKES
1983 DESERT WINE SAN FELIPE HANDICAP

1982 LASER LIGHT2 2nd KENTUCKY DERBY
1981 LASER LIGHT2 REMSEM STAKES

1981 WOODCHOPPER 2nd KENTUCKY DERBY
1981 WOODCHOPPER LOUISIANA DERBY

1981 PLEASANT COLONY 1st KENTUCKY DERBY
1981 PLEASANT COLONY WOOD MEMORIAL STAKES
1980 PLEASANT COLONY REMSEM STAKES

1980 RUMBO 2nd KENTUCKY DERBY
1980 RUMBO ROBERT LEWIS MEMORIAL

1979 SPECTACULAR BID 1st KENTUCKY DERBY
1979 SPECTACULAR BID FOUNTAIN OF YOUTH STAKES
1979 SPECTACULAR BID FLORIDA DERBY
1979 SPECTACULAR BID BLUE GRASS STAKES

1979 GOLDEN ACT 3rd KENTUCKY DERBY
1979 GOLDEN ACT LOUISIANA DERBY
1979 GOLDEN ACT ARKANSAS DERBY

1979 GENERAL ASSEMBLY 2nd KENTUCKY DERBY
1979 GENERAL ASSEMBLY GOTHAM STAKES

1978 BELIEVE IT 3rd KENTUCKY DERBY
1978 BELIEVE IT WOOD MEMORIAL STAKES
1977 BELIEVE IT REMSEM STAKES

1978 ALYDAR 2nd KENTUCKY DERBY
1978 ALYDAR FLORIDA DERBY
1978 ALYDAR BLUE GRASS STAKES
1977 ALYDAR CHAMPAGNE STAKES

1978 AFFIRMED 1st KENTUCKY DERBY
1978 AFFIRMED SAN FELIPE HANDICAP
1978 AFFIRMED SANTA ANITA DERBY
1977 AFFIRMED FUTURITY STAKES

1977 SEATTLE SLEW 1st KENTUCKY DERBY
1977 SEATTLE SLEW WOOD MEMORIAL STAKES
1976 SEATTLE SLEW CHAMPAGNE STAKES

1977 RUN DUSTY RUN 2nd KENTUCKY DERBY
1976 RUN DUSTY RUN ARLINGTON-WASHINGTON FUTURITY

1976 HONEST PLEASURE 2nd KENTUCKY DERBY
1976 HONEST PLEASURE FLORIDA DERBY
1976 HONEST PLEASURE BLUE GRASS STAKES
1975 HONEST PLEASURE ARLINGTON-WASHINGTON FUTURITY

1976 ELOCUTIONIST 3rd KENTUCKY DERBY
1976 ELOCUTIONIST ARKANSAS DERBY

1976 BOLD FORBES 1st KENTUCKY DERBY
1976 BOLD FORBES WOOD MEMORIAL STAKES

1976 HONEST PLEASURE 2nd KENTUCKY DERBY
1975 HONEST PLEASURE CHAMPAGNE STAKES

1975 FOOLISH PLEASURE 1st KENTUCKY DERBY
1975 FOOLISH PLEASURE WOOD MEMORIAL STAKES
1974 FOOLISH PLEASURE CHAMPAGNE STAKES

1975 AVATAR 2nd KENTUCKY DERBY
1975 AVATAR SANTA ANITA DERBY

1973 SHAM 2nd KENTUCKY DERBY
1973 SHAM ROBERT LEWIS MEMORIAL
1973 SHAM SANTA ANITA DERBY

1973 SECRETARIAT 1st KENTUCKY DERBY
1973 SECRETARIAT GOTHAM STAKES
1972 SECRETARIAT FUTURITY STAKES

1973 OUR NATIVE 3rd KENTUCKY DERBY
1973 OUR NATIVE LEXINGTON STAKES

1972 RIVA RIDGE 1st KENTUCKY DERBY
1972 RIVA RIDGE BLUE GRASS STAKES
1971 RIVA RIDGE FUTURITY STAKES

1972 NO LE HACE 2nd KENTUCKY DERBY
1972 NO LE HACE LOUISIANA DERBY
1972 NO LE HACE ARKANSAS DERBY

1972 HOLD YOUR PEACE 3rd KENTUCKY DERBY
1971 HOLD YOUR PEACE ARLINGTON-WASHINGTON FUTURITY

1971 JIM FRENCH 2nd KENTUCKY DERBY
1971 JIM FRENCH SANTA ANITA DERBY
1970 JIM FRENCH REMSEM STAKES

1970 DUST COMMANDER 1st KENTUCKY DERBY
1970 DUST COMMANDER BLUE GRASS STAKES

1970 HIGH ECHELON 3rd KENTUCKY DERBY
1969 HIGH ECHELON FUTURITY STAKES

1970 MY DAD GEORGE 2nd KENTUCKY DERBY
1970 MY DAD GEORGE FLORIDA DERBY

1969 MAJESTIC PRINCE 1st KENTUCKY DERBY
1969 MAJESTIC PRINCE SANTA ANITA DERBY

1969 DIKE 3rd KENTUCKY DERBY
1969 DIKE WOOD MEMORIAL STAKES
1969 DIKE GOTHAM STAKES
1968 DIKE BREEDERS FUTURITY

1969 ARTS AND LETTERS 2nd KENTUCKY DERBY
1969 ARTS AND LETTERS BLUE GRASS STAKES

1968 FORWARD PASS 1st KENTUCKY DERBY
1968 FORWARD PASS FLORIDA DERBY
1968 FORWARD PASS BLUE GRASS STAKES

1968 T V COMMERCIAL 3rd KENTUCKY DERBY
1967 T V COMMERCIAL BREEDERS CUP FUTURITY
1967 T V COMMERCIAL ARLINGTON-WASHINGTON FUTURITY

1967 DAMASCUS 3rd KENTUCKY DERBY
1967 DAMASCUS WOOD MEMORIAL STAKES
1966 DAMASCUS REMSEM STAKES

1966 KAUAI KING 1st KENTUCKY DERBY
1966 KAUAI KING FOUNTAIN OF YOUTH STAKES

1966 BLUE SKYER 3rd KENTUCKY DERBY
1966 BLUE SKYER LOUISIANA DERBY

1965 LUCKY DEBONAIR 1st KENTUCKY DERBY
1965 LUCKY DEBONAIR BLUE GRASS STAKES
1965 LUCKY DEBONAIR SANTA ANITA DERBY

1964 NORTHERN DANCER 1st KENTUCKY DERBY
1964 NORTHERN DANCER FLORIDA DERBY
1964 NORTHERN DANCER BLUE GRASS STAKES
1963 NORTHERN DANCER REMSEM STAKES

1964 HILL RISE 2nd KENTUCKY DERBY
1964 HILL RISE SAN FELIPE HANDICAP
1964 HILL RISE SANTA ANITA DERBY

1963 CHATEAUGAY 1st KENTUCKY DERBY
1963 CHATEAUGAY BLUE GRASS STAKES

1963 NEVER BEND 2nd KENTUCKY DERBY
1962 NEVER BEND CHAMPAGNE STAKES
1962 NEVER BEND FUTURITY STAKES

1963 CANDY SPOTS 3rd KENTUCKY DERBY
1963 CANDY SPOTS FLORIDA DERBY
1963 CANDY SPOTS SANTA ANITA DERBY
1962 CANDY SPOTS ARLINGTON-WASHINGTON FUTURITY

1962 ROMAN LINE 2nd KENTUCKY DERBY
1961 ROMAN LINE BREEDERS FUTURITY

1962 RIDAN 3rd KENTUCKY DERBY
1962 RIDAN FLORIDA DERBY
1962 RIDAN BLUE GRASS STAKES

1961 CARRY BACK 1st KENTUCKY DERBY
1961 CARRY BACK FLORIDA DERBY
1960 CARRY BACK REMSEM STAKES

1961 BASS CLEF 3rd KENTUCKY DERBY
1961 BASS CLEF LOUISIANA DERBY

1960 BALLY ACHE 2nd KENTUCKY DERBY
1960 BALLY ACHE FLORIDA DERBY

1960 VICTORIA PARK 3rd KENTUCKY DERBY
1959 VICTORIA PARK REMSEM STAKES

1959 TOMY LEE 1st KENTUCKY DERBY
1959 TOMY LEE BLUE GRASS STAKES

1959 FIRST LANDING 3rd KENTUCKY DERBY
1958 FIRST LANDING CHAMPAGNE STAKES

1958 TIM TAM 1st KENTUCKY DERBY
1958 TIM TAM FOUNTAIN OF YOUTH STAKES
1958 TIM TAM FLORIDA DERBY

1957 ROUND TABLE 3rd KENTUCKY DERBY
1957 ROUND TABLE BLUE GRASS STAKES
1956 ROUND TABLE BREEDERS FUTURITY

1956 NEEDLES 1st KENTUCKY DERBY
1956 NEEDLES FLORIDA DERBY

1955 SWAPS 1st KENTUCKY DERBY
1955 SWAPS SANTA ANITA DERBY

1955 NASHUA 2nd KENTUCKY DERBY
1955 NASHUA FLORIDA DERBY
1955 NASHUA WOOD MEMORIAL STAKES
1954 NASHUA FUTURITY STAKES

1954 DETERMINE 1st KENTUCKY DERBY
1954 DETERMINE SAN FELIPE HANDICAP
1954 DETERMINE SANTA ANITA DERBY

1954 HASTY ROAD 2nd KENTUCKY DERBY
1953 HASTY ROAD BREEDERS FUTURITY

1953 NATIVE DANCER 2nd KENTUCKY DERBY
1953 NATIVE DANCER WOOD MEMORIAL STAKES
1953 NATIVE DANCER GOTHAM STAKES
1952 NATIVE DANCER FUTURITY STAKES

1952 HILL GAIL 1st KENTUCKY DERBY
1952 HILL GAIL SANTA ANITA DERBY

1951 RUHE 3rd KENTUCKY DERBY
1951 RUHE ARKANSAS DERBY

1950 MR TROUBLE 3rd KENTUCKY DERBY
1950 MR TROUBLE BLUE GRASS STAKES

1950 HILL PRINCE 2nd KENTUCKY DERBY
1950 HILL PRINCE WOOD MEMORIAL STAKES

1949 CAPOT 2nd KENTUCKY DERBY
1948 CAPOT CHAMPAGNE STAKES

1948 CITATION 1st KENTUCKY DERBY
1947 CITATION FUTURITY STAKES

1948 MY REQUEST 3rd KENTUCKY DERBY
1948 MY REQUEST WOOD MEMORIAL STAKES

1948 COALTOWN 2nd KENTUCKY DERBY
1948 COALTOWN BLUE GRASS STAKES

1947 PHALANX 2nd KENTUCKY DERBY
1947 PHALANX WOOD MEMORIAL STAKES
1946 PHALANX REMSEM STAKES

1947 FAULTLESS 3rd KENTUCKY DERBY
1947 FAULTLESS BLUE GRASS STAKES

1946 ASSAULT 1st KENTUCKY DERBY
1946 ASSAULT WOOD MEMORIAL STAKES

1945 DARBY DIEPPE 3rd KENTUCKY DERBY
1945 DARBY DIEPPE BLUE GRASS STAKES

1944 STIR UP 3rd KENTUCKY DERBY
1944 STIR UP WOOD MEMORIAL STAKES

1943 COUNT FLEET 1st KENTUCKY DERBY
1943 COUNT FLEET WOOD MEMORIAL STAKES
1942 COUNT FLEET CHAMPAGNE STAKES

1943 BLUE SWORDS 2nd KENTUCKY DERBY
1942 BLUE SWORDS REMSEM STAKES

1942 SHUT OUT 1st KENTUCKY DERBY
1942 SHUT OUT BLUE GRASS STAKES

1942 ALSAB 2nd KENTUCKY DERBY
1941 ALSAB CHAMPAGNE STAKES

1941 WHIRLAWAY 1st KENTUCKY DERBY
1940 WHIRLAWAY BREEDERS FUTURITY

1941 MARKET WISE 3rd KENTUCKY DERBY
1941 MARKET WISE WOOD MEMORIAL STAKES

1940 DIT 3rd KENTUCKY DERBY
1940 DIT WOOD MEMORIAL STAKES

1940 BIMELECH 2nd KENTUCKY DERBY
1940 BIMELECH BLUE GRASS STAKES
1939 BIMELECH FUTURITY STAKES

1939 JOHNSTOWN 1st KENTUCKY DERBY
1939 JOHNSTOWN WOOD MEMORIAL STAKES
1938 JOHNSTOWN BREEDERS FUTURITY
1938 JOHNSTOWN REMSEM STAKES

1939 HEATHER BROOM 3rd KENTUCKY DERBY
1939 HEATHER BROOM BLUE GRASS STAKES

1937 POMPOON 2nd KENTUCKY DERBY
1936 POMPOON FUTURITY STAKES

1936 BREVITY 2nd KENTUCKY DERBY
1935 BREVITY CHAMPAGNE STAKES

1931 TWENTY GRAND 1st KENTUCKY DERBY
1931 TWENTY GRAND WOOD MEMORIAL STAKES

1931 MATE 3rd KENTUCKY DERBY
1930 MATE BREEDERS FUTURITY
1930 MATE CHAMPAGNE STAKES

1930 GALLANT FOX 1st KENTUCKY DERBY
1930 GALLANT FOX WOOD MEMORIAL STAKES

1930 GALLANT KNIGHT2 2nd KENTUCKY DERBY
1929 GALLANT KNIGHT2 BREEDERS FUTURITY

1926 BUBBLING OVER 1st KENTUCKY DERBY
1926 BUBBLING OVER BLUE GRASS STAKES

1926 BAGENBAGGAGE 2nd KENTUCKY DERBY
1926 BAGENBAGGAGE LOUISIANA DERBY

1924 BLACK GOLD 1st KENTUCKY DERBY
1924 BLACK GOLD LOUISIANA DERBY

1921 BLACK SERVANT 2nd KENTUCKY DERBY
1921 BLACK SERVANT BLUE GRASS STAKES

1918 ESCOBA 2nd KENTUCKY DERBY
1917 ESCOBA BREEDERS FUTURITY

1914 BRONZEWING 3rd KENTUCKY DERBY
1914 BRONZEWING BLUE GRASS STAKES

1911 GOVERNOR GRAY 2nd KENTUCKY DERBY
1911 GOVERNOR GRAY BLUE GRASS STAKES

1898 PLAUDIT 1st KENTUCKY DERBY
1897 PLAUDIT CHAMPAGNE STAKES

1892 AZRA 1st KENTUCKY DERBY
1891 AZRA CHAMPAGNE STAKES

1889 PROCTOR KNOTT 2nd KENTUCKY DERBY
1888 PROCTOR KNOTT FUTURITY STAKES

[reenci]

I suggest you look into the winners (and those finishing 2nd and 3rd) in the Remsen Stakes, since it was run at 1 1/8 miles:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Remsen_Stakes

Hi..OK...I will put it in today.

It's not a race of high status like the Champagne or Hopeful, but if you look back over the years, some good 3 y os have emerged from it. I wish that the BC Juvenile was run at this distance so that it might be more of a preview of what is to come.

agreed...i have also thought so.

[TJ]

I suggest you look into the winners (and those finishing 2nd and 3rd) in the Remsen Stakes, since it was run at 1 1/8 miles:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Remsen_Stakes

Hi..OK...I will put it in today.

It's not a race of high status like the Champagne or Hopeful, but if you look back over the years, some good 3 y os have emerged from it. I wish that the BC Juvenile was run at this distance so that it might be more of a preview of what is to come.

Hi Bast,
The Remsen will be run this Saturday. It looks like some real nice 2YO's are showing up for this 1 1/8th event. Tommy Albertrani, with a son of Bernardini named Buffum, who broke his maiden in style first out. To Honor and Serve, another son of Bernardini who won 2 of 3 starts including the GRII Nashua. Mountain Town, a Paul Pompa claim, finshed 2nd in the GRI Champagne in his only appearance since he was claimed at Saratoga from Nick Zito. A NY bred named Bandbox, shipping in from Laurel for top trainer Rodney Jenkins, he is undefeated in 3 starts. A very solid field of 2YO's.....it looks like the winner of this race might just be a Derby contender. TJ

[Bast]

The Remsen will be run this Saturday. It looks like some real nice 2YO's are showing up for this 1 1/8th event. Tommy Albertrani, with a son of Bernardini named Buffum, who broke his maiden in style first out. To Honor and Serve, another son of Bernardini who won 2 of 3 starts including the GRII Nashua. Mountain Town, a Paul Pompa claim, finshed 2nd in the GRI Champagne in his only appearance since he was claimed at Saratoga from Nick Zito. A NY bred named Bandbox, shipping in from Laurel for top trainer Rodney Jenkins, he is undefeated in 3 starts. A very solid field of 2YO's.....it looks like the winner of this race might just be a Derby contender. TJ

The Remsen is often a sneak peek for the following year.

[TJ]

The Remsen will be run this Saturday. It looks like some real nice 2YO's are showing up for this 1 1/8th event. Tommy Albertrani, with a son of Bernardini named Buffum, who broke his maiden in style first out. To Honor and Serve, another son of Bernardini who won 2 of 3 starts including the GRII Nashua. Mountain Town, a Paul Pompa claim, finshed 2nd in the GRI Champagne in his only appearance since he was claimed at Saratoga from Nick Zito. A NY bred named Bandbox, shipping in from Laurel for top trainer Rodney Jenkins, he is undefeated in 3 starts. A very solid field of 2YO's.....it looks like the winner of this race might just be a Derby contender. TJ

The Remsen is often a sneak peek for the following year.

Hi Bast,
Should be an interesting race....Aqueduct might be more important than Gulfstream Park this winter....Uncle Mo plans to come back and take the Wood Memorial route to the Derby. TJ

[Bast]

To Honor and Serve won the Remsen. The field was small--only 5 starters.

http://www.equibase.com/static/chart/pdf/AQU112710USA7.pdf

I don't think I've ever seen "nibbled against the bit" in a chart before.

[wangkw]

Before 1988 one would find results of juvenile races one year behind to be more reliable in forecasting forthcoming Kentucky
Derby top 3. But after that year...that crystal ball is to be found among the 3yo prep races...If this basis is right..I agree with
Bdw it is really way too early as he has captioned in his thread.

Breeders Cup Juvenile and Cashcall Futurity are for the time being the 1st 2 prizest for 2 year old babies...but the former was
a poor pointer in the past. Cashcall Futurity is relatively more handy at times. Both races started to run in 1st half 80s.

[Bast]

Before 1988 one would find results of juvenile races one year behind to be more reliable in forecasting forthcoming Kentucky
Derby top 3.

The best 2 y os have not generally continued to dominate at three the way they did at 2. Street Sense has been a rare exception.

[wangkw]

Florida and Arkansas both hv trustworthy, relatively but not absolutely, predictive power...no point wasting your dart so early.

[wangkw]

Selected 2010 2 year-old races..Date, Dis, Top 3 finishers, time. winning margin. field :

6-Nov 1710 BREEDERS' CUP JUVENILE UNCLE MO BOYS AT TOSCONOVA ROGUE ROMANCE 1:42.60 4&1/4 10
5-Nov 1710 BREEDERS' CUP JUVENILE FILLIES AWESOME FEATHER R HEAT LIGHTNING DELIGHTFUL MARY 1:45.17 2&1/4 12




6-Sep 1408 HOPEFUL STAKES 2 SR BOY AT TOSCONAVA STAY THIRSTY WINE POLICE 1:23.27 1&3/4 4
7-Sep 1408 DEL MAR FUTURITY 2 DM J P'S GUSTO JAYOTO INDIAN WINTER/RIVETING REASON 1:22.95 4&1/2 11
5-Oct 1710 NORFOLK STAKES 2 SA JAYCITO J P'S GUSTO EVENSF RIVETING REASON 1:44.17 1 7
9-Oct 1609 CHAMPAGNE STAKES 2 BM UNCLE MO MOUNTAIN TOWN I'M STEPPIN' IT UP 1:34.51 5 6
9-Oct 1710 BREEDERS' FUTURITY 2 KN J. B.'S THUNDER SANTIVA WILLCOX INN 1:44.12 4 11
27-Nov 1811 REMSEN STAKES 2 AQ TO HONOR AND SERVE MUCHO MACHO MAN MOUNTAIN TOWN 1:50.03 2 5
18-Dec 1710 HOLLYWOOD FUTURITY 2 HO COMMA TO THE TOP J P'S GUSTO CLUBHOUSE RIDE 1:44.72 1&3/4 10