MUCHO "LATE" MAN syndrome

[Jorge]

As many of you have already noticed Mucho Macho Man was foaled late in June. Also, Mucho Macho Man is the result of the cross between two
immediate gray parents.

I was wondering if there is a very subtle tendency towards the appearance of less-probable genetic traits, or other sort of rarities, when an equine is foaled so late during the spring. Makes me remember the unattractive diminute Northern Dancer and other off season births.

I wonder if when a horse is about to be foaled so late, nature makes adjustments and behaves in an atypical fashion as a mechanism to protect the foal in some unexplicable ways.

For example horses that are foaled when the snow is gone may well need a darker coat color (or camouflage) than those foaled under snowy conditions. We all know that light conditions and other variables play important roles for the protection of animals.

Hmmm, I would really like to read from all of you, specially those of you who are breeders, regarding your observations and experiences with your late dropped foals.

[docjocoy]

I'm not sure that "Mother Nature" would consider a June foal "late." It would be the racing establishment that would consider the foal late. I doubt that a foal bred for another purpose, (i.e. a hunter/jumper or a draft horse), would garner much significance to the month born.
So unless the foal, or "mother nature", or God, or whomever, knows the purpose of the resulting foal before it is born, I'm not sure how the month it is born could have any significance beyond needing months to catch up in size to the foal's older year-mates.

I wonder if when a horse is about to be foaled so late, nature makes adjustments and behaves in an atypical fashion as a mechanism to protect the foal in some unexplicable ways.

"Nature" would have needed to have gotten the telegram that the foal was to be a racehorse.

[Jorge]

Another talented relatively late foaled non-gray horse
who came from a pair of immediate gray parents was
CHEROKEE RUN. He was foaled on March 25, 1990.
Many people may think that a horse foaled on March 25
is not that much of a late foal after all. Anyway, for the record,
let’s mention this other “Late-Man”. Well, will keep an eye open
on these cases.

CHEROKEE RUN (Dark bay or brown horse 1990)
http://www.pedigreequery.com/cherokee+run

[accphotography]

The chances of getting a non gray from two gray parents is 25% genetically. That's high enough to not be considered an oddity regardless of date of birth.

[Jorge]

I would really appreciate from all of you to post the name and date of birth of every non-gray Thoroughbred whose immediate parents were both grays.

Please specify if the horse belongs to Northern or Southern Hemisphere.

[pfrsue]

I would really appreciate from all of you to post the name and date of birth of every non-gray Thoroughbred whose immediate parents were both grays.

One quick look in the PQ database gave me this in about thirty seconds:

Babylons Hero ch. H, 2000 (USA)

By: Unbridleds Song
Out of: Mz. Mazuma (gr/r. 1994 by Robyn Dancer)

[Jorge]

I would really appreciate from all of you to post the name and date of birth of every non-gray Thoroughbred whose immediate parents were both grays.

One quick look in the PQ database gave me this in about thirty seconds:

Babylons Hero ch. H, 2000 (USA)

By: Unbridleds Song
Out of: Mz. Mazuma (gr/r. 1994 by Robyn Dancer)

OKAY, LET'S DO THE SCORE TO SEE IF WE CAN FIND A TELL-TELLING TENDENCY.

*** Cases foaled in MAY or later ***

01. MUCHO MACHO MAN (June)
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*** Cases foaled BEFORE MAY ***

01. BABYLON'S HERO (March)
02. CHEROKEE RUN (March)
03.
04.
05.
06.
07.
08.
09.
10.

(p.s. Babylon's Hero was foaled on March 10, 2000.)