Questions for the Queen, I am getting conflicting information about the horseman's meeting at Lone Star. Was there any handouts at the meeting? Can you give us a brief overview of the meeting and information about attendance and participation from the horsemen?
Should have already done it, but thank you for making the announcement on PQ. I should have asked for a list of topics and speakers for the meeting. I think there would have been better attendance and participation. Bob or Chuck are the most available to your staff and one on one communication with them would get more detailed information into our little network. The common goals have not changed and we have developed and will continue to develop our communication levels with various groups and legislative staffs.
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Theo, It seams that is where the conflict arose before was over the add ons or restrictions. I think the committee will slice and dice all of the gambling bills submitted. What comes out will be anyone's guess, but you can be sure it will not be exactly what anyone wants but the state. Gambling legislation is not about the horsemen, it is about revenue for the state! The protections for the industry and horsemen are where the fight should be and not over designated programs. I hope everyone accepts that and supports moving whatever comes out of committee forward.
This negative attitude toward the legislators have gotten the industry no where and the board members of all the associations had better find out on a dailey basis what is being put in the bill. Before it is all said and done, everyone will know what happened and the finger pointing and blame game from the last sessions put out there will be exposed. Theo is correct, we are seeing some splits in support over stuff that does not even exist.
As a board member of either association, if you are not satisfied with the information you are receiving from your staff, give us a call we do not need these fractures at this time! Remember, we are in contact with staffs on a dailey basis and your people are not! The feedback we are getting from board members is old news and you can not keep up or have input with bad information. We need you to represent the horsemen that put you on those boards and get involved with making sure your board supports whatever positive measures that come out of committee! The failure to communicate amongst yourselves is a problem and now you need to impose the will of the board on those ED's and officers to do dailey briefings and coordinate your efforts!
This negative attitude toward the legislators have gotten the industry no where and the board members of all the associations had better find out on a dailey basis what is being put in the bill. Before it is all said and done, everyone will know what happened and the finger pointing and blame game from the last sessions put out there will be exposed. Theo is correct, we are seeing some splits in support over stuff that does not even exist.
As a board member of either association, if you are not satisfied with the information you are receiving from your staff, give us a call we do not need these fractures at this time! Remember, we are in contact with staffs on a dailey basis and your people are not! The feedback we are getting from board members is old news and you can not keep up or have input with bad information. We need you to represent the horsemen that put you on those boards and get involved with making sure your board supports whatever positive measures that come out of committee! The failure to communicate amongst yourselves is a problem and now you need to impose the will of the board on those ED's and officers to do dailey briefings and coordinate your efforts!
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If the comments of G2W and Ajo make any sense in reference to the comments about legislation, please explain them to me.
Again, G2W you are not offering any solutions to the problem of the drop of 25% in the number of mares bred in Texas. If the current program is not a complete failure, then how would you judge or justify its success. Finally, how in the world can you leave the program in such incompetent hands!
As far as the toadstool comment, is that a slander for the mushrooms or did you just run out of coherent thoughts? As a board member of the THP, I suggest you get your head out of the sand and pay attention to what is going on in your organization. You are on the outside looking in and that is of your own making and choosing. You can tell each other all you want about what a great job you have done, but the only reference that counts at this time is in Austin and as an association you have failed to represent your membership and have failed to represent the best interest of Texas. You folks need to put the crap aside for at least thirty days and then go back to bashing our efforts!
As I said the cards are dealt and it would be best for the TTA and THP to go sit in the corner and shut up before them make a bigger ass out of themselves than they already have!
Again, G2W you are not offering any solutions to the problem of the drop of 25% in the number of mares bred in Texas. If the current program is not a complete failure, then how would you judge or justify its success. Finally, how in the world can you leave the program in such incompetent hands!
As far as the toadstool comment, is that a slander for the mushrooms or did you just run out of coherent thoughts? As a board member of the THP, I suggest you get your head out of the sand and pay attention to what is going on in your organization. You are on the outside looking in and that is of your own making and choosing. You can tell each other all you want about what a great job you have done, but the only reference that counts at this time is in Austin and as an association you have failed to represent your membership and have failed to represent the best interest of Texas. You folks need to put the crap aside for at least thirty days and then go back to bashing our efforts!
As I said the cards are dealt and it would be best for the TTA and THP to go sit in the corner and shut up before them make a bigger ass out of themselves than they already have!
A horsemen's meeting is a venue where people who race or care for horses at a meet can express any current concerns they may have about operation or conditions of the premises. At the LSP horsemen's meeting on Thursday, concerns were aired, and they were addressed by appropriate parties. No one that was actually there has, to date, complained about the conduction of the meeting. Why on earth does this have to be a concern with mushrooms who chose not to attend?
Ajo, what concerns were stated and how were they addressed? Unfortunately, as a owner, I was at work and was not able to to take off and drive 4 1/2 hours.
Just asking, but please tell me who was at the meeting. Was it 'our' associations and everyone at Lone Star? Everyone that was within driving distance? I am not the only owner that just can't take off work at a whim and drive 'x' amount of miles to be at a meeting which 'our' representives should be representing us. Please tell who was at the meeting and what the over feeling was after it was all said and done.
Thank you,
Jazette
Just asking, but please tell me who was at the meeting. Was it 'our' associations and everyone at Lone Star? Everyone that was within driving distance? I am not the only owner that just can't take off work at a whim and drive 'x' amount of miles to be at a meeting which 'our' representives should be representing us. Please tell who was at the meeting and what the over feeling was after it was all said and done.
Thank you,
Jazette
Key, you mean to tell me you couldn't get not ONE of your loyal followers to attend the horsemen's meeting at LS? Not any of your A-List trainers w/their impressive records for 2011: Pickard (17-0-2-3) or JR (oops, no runners since 07) or Charles Wright (5-0-0-0). Why don't you put your legislative liason JR on the trail? I'm sure he can badger his new friend at WinforTexas and get the information for you.
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Jazette wrote:Ajo, what concerns were stated and how were they addressed? Unfortunately, as a owner, I was at work and was not able to to take off and drive 4 1/2 hours.
Just asking, but please tell me who was at the meeting. Was it 'our' associations and everyone at Lone Star? Everyone that was within driving distance? I am not the only owner that just can't take off work at a whim and drive 'x' amount of miles to be at a meeting which 'our' representives should be representing us. Please tell who was at the meeting and what the over feeling was after it was all said and done.
Thank you,
Jazette
Thanks Jazette,
I am like you, and couldn't take off of work to attend the meeting, and I've been waiting to hear what came out of the meeting as well.
I'm lucky to work in, and live near Austin, so there is a lot that I can do, and I do my best to be apart of everything going on here that's possible.
I hope everyone had a good week of racing! Have a blessed day.
Theo
Joe, congratulations on getting your daughter through MHBU. Getting one through college is a great challenge these days. The ring ceremony at MHBU must be a new thing, neither my wife nor my daughter had one, but my son did have an informal ceremony at A&M, but I don't think you guys dropped the ring in a pitcher of beer.
I've been thinking about what stallions over the years have had the most positive influence on Texas breds. The all time most important stallion has to be Valid Expectations. He has the numbers and the quality. When we talk about improving Texas breds, I feel that we are talking about something much larger than a few good stakes horses that never come back to Texas. I guess thats why I like a more restricted statebred program. I've thought about an our open breed back rule. If we have to have such a rule, I think it could be improved by not paying stallion awards to stallions standing outside of Texas. They could come in and get cheap Black type and Texas based stallions could earn a little more money when they have good runners.
I've been thinking about what stallions over the years have had the most positive influence on Texas breds. The all time most important stallion has to be Valid Expectations. He has the numbers and the quality. When we talk about improving Texas breds, I feel that we are talking about something much larger than a few good stakes horses that never come back to Texas. I guess thats why I like a more restricted statebred program. I've thought about an our open breed back rule. If we have to have such a rule, I think it could be improved by not paying stallion awards to stallions standing outside of Texas. They could come in and get cheap Black type and Texas based stallions could earn a little more money when they have good runners.
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Gate2Wire wrote:Key, you mean to tell me you couldn't get not ONE of your loyal followers to attend the horsemen's meeting at LS? Not any of your A-List trainers w/their impressive records for 2011: Pickard (17-0-2-3) or JR (oops, no runners since 07) or Charles Wright (5-0-0-0). Why don't you put your legislative liason JR on the trail? I'm sure he can badger his new friend at WinforTexas and get the information for you.
Lets look at your record. What do we know? A poster who is afraid to post under his or her name. A poster who seems to have no horses, nor does he or she seem to have much knowledge of the industry. A poster who in my opinion post like a 7th grader. A mature person writes and talks about ideas and have no need to build their egos by poor attempts at tearing down others. If we want to be a part of the elite, lets define elite. Does a member of the elite need to run horses at some level, do they need to breed to only certain stallions, should you let owners who claim horses join your club, should you let owners who breed to a certain level of stallions join your club. How many wins should an owner or trainer have to join. What is elite? Surely you would not leave out someone who can't spell or use correct grammar. Look through this list and see how many directors you would have left. This industry does not need to attack its members whetherd they are at the top or bottom, we are all important. I think the only ones we need to eliminate are those who are afraid to post under their name or at least put their name in their profiles.
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Rog, I've never used the term "elite". You speak of tearing down others, so in your opinion, it's ok for Key to tear down the associations, even going as far as accusing them of criminal activity knowing what he's posting are lies? I've NEVER posted any facts on this forum that wasn't true. He does this continually to keep people like you upset. Don't you think it's strange the ENTIRE industry including 8 horse organizations, ALL racetracks, ALL greyhound tracks, and WinforTexas can come together to file a bill they each agree on while Key criticizes from the outside? Are the associations supposed to abandon their memberships wish for VLT's to support Key's half-ass ADW plan?
G2W made three grammatical errors in one post! Don't let him get away with that, Roger. He makes an "A" for content, though, if you deign to think about it a little.
Quote Roger: “we have to have such a rule, I think it could be improved by not paying stallion awards to stallions standing outside of Texas.”
My response: The offspring of a stallion standing in Texas is eligible for Texas incentive awards, and so is the registered stallion. Why shouldn’t that stallion reap the benefits of his get if he is later sold or pensioned or even dies out of state?
Quote Roger: “They could come in and get cheap Black type and Texas based stallions could earn a little more money when they have good runners.
My horrified response: Who on God’s Green Earth wants cheap black type? Texas breds are ridiculed enough nationally as it is. What possible benefit could come from debasing our home breds even more. Do you really believe that Pepper’s Pride is equivalent in stature to Rachel Alexandra or Zenyatta?
Quote Roger: “we have to have such a rule, I think it could be improved by not paying stallion awards to stallions standing outside of Texas.”
My response: The offspring of a stallion standing in Texas is eligible for Texas incentive awards, and so is the registered stallion. Why shouldn’t that stallion reap the benefits of his get if he is later sold or pensioned or even dies out of state?
Quote Roger: “They could come in and get cheap Black type and Texas based stallions could earn a little more money when they have good runners.
My horrified response: Who on God’s Green Earth wants cheap black type? Texas breds are ridiculed enough nationally as it is. What possible benefit could come from debasing our home breds even more. Do you really believe that Pepper’s Pride is equivalent in stature to Rachel Alexandra or Zenyatta?
Roger wrote:Joe, congratulations on getting your daughter through MHBU. Getting one through college is a great challenge these days. ...
I've been thinking about what stallions over the years have had the most positive influence on Texas breds. The all time most important stallion has to be Valid Expectations. He has the numbers and the quality. When we talk about improving Texas breds, I feel that we are talking about something much larger than a few good stakes horses that never come back to Texas. I guess thats why I like a more restricted statebred program. I've thought about an our open breed back rule. If we have to have such a rule, I think it could be improved by not paying stallion awards to stallions standing outside of Texas. They could come in and get cheap Black type and Texas based stallions could earn a little more money when they have good runners.
I have decided to respond to Roger, and ignore the snipers.
It would seem that Joe and Sharon raise good children as well as good horses.
Few could disagree with your mention of Valid Expectations. I might add Hadif? At least you have started a thread about something more interesting than personal insults.
I do have a question. Do we really pay Texas breeder's awards to stallions out of state? Say it isn't the case.
Bedouwia
Stallions standing outside of Texas do not get incentive money for any cover that takes place outside of Texas. A foal sired by an outside stallion can be registered in Texas and participate in the Texas-Bred Incentive Program IF its dam is registered in Texas and IF the foal is born in Texas, but that foal's sire does not get awards. Likewise, a Texas-bred foal does not receive incentive awards for placing in races outside of Texas.
I believe that people would buy more Texas-breds if they received awards for winning out of state. Such awards could be scaled down somewhat from the awards paid for running in Texas, and could be scaled down even more if the Texas-bred winner was not the product of a Texas cover. Stallions standing in Texas certainly should share in any such award revisions that would benefit Texas-bred progeny running out of state.
I believe that people would buy more Texas-breds if they received awards for winning out of state. Such awards could be scaled down somewhat from the awards paid for running in Texas, and could be scaled down even more if the Texas-bred winner was not the product of a Texas cover. Stallions standing in Texas certainly should share in any such award revisions that would benefit Texas-bred progeny running out of state.