NY Stewards Make Dumb Move

TJ · Postby TJ » Fri May 25, 2012 3:31 pm

NY stewards won't allow I'll Have Another to race with nasal strip. TJ

http://www.drf.com/news/belmont-stakes- ... ont-stakes

mehile · Postby **mehile** » Fri May 25, 2012 4:46 pm

Yea that makes perfect sense... :roll:

At it's worst it's a completely harmless nose strip(just call it a fashion statement) at best if it does what it says it does then it may actually keep the lungs from some harm. Yet somehow that is worse then Lasix(Salix)?

Yea so I'm trying to guess how many stewards have stock in lasix...lol. :twisted:

The best thing for Flair though would be if he tanks in the Belmont. Then they can tot how much they "helped him" in all the other races. I guess there's always an upside for someone.

gunner99 · Postby **gunner99** » Fri May 25, 2012 7:20 pm

The sports world has got to wrangle these refs/stewards. They have way too much say in the outcome of major sporting events. I understand that different states have different regulations but all of the Triple Crown races shoud be run under the same regulations. Let him wear the nasal strip!!!

valjoe · Postby **valjoe** » Fri May 25, 2012 9:05 pm

if I was the owner of IHA I would pull him out of the race

TJ · Postby TJ » Fri May 25, 2012 9:13 pm

I agree with you guys, this is a crock! I was around when Doc Hill was an examining vet at the NYRA tracks....he didn't know what he was talking about then (and I had personal experience with him to vouch for it) and he certainly doesn't have the knowledge to be a racing steward today....it's pathetic and totally unfair to I'll Have Another and Doug O'Neill. I honestly was going to look to beat IHA in the Belmont...now I hope he runs a hole in the wind. Total BS. TJ

BenB · Postby **BenB** » Fri May 25, 2012 9:38 pm

Racing in the US, is bothered by the lack of an federal institute. All jurisdictions have their own rules.

ct2346 · Postby **ct2346** » Sat May 26, 2012 4:34 am

TJ wrote:I agree with you guys, this is a crock! I was around when Doc Hill was an examining vet at the NYRA tracks....he didn't know what he was talking about then (and I had personal experience with him to vouch for it) and he certainly doesn't have the knowledge to be a racing steward today....it's pathetic and totally unfair to I'll Have Another and Doug O'Neill. I honestly was going to look to beat IHA in the Belmont...now I hope he runs a hole in the wind. Total BS. TJ

TJ

Which Doc Hill is this? Does this precede the Dr Gilman times?

TJ · Postby TJ » Sat May 26, 2012 6:14 am

ct2346 wrote:
TJ wrote:I agree with you guys, this is a crock! I was around when Doc Hill was an examining vet at the NYRA tracks....he didn't know what he was talking about then (and I had personal experience with him to vouch for it) and he certainly doesn't have the knowledge to be a racing steward today....it's pathetic and totally unfair to I'll Have Another and Doug O'Neill. I honestly was going to look to beat IHA in the Belmont...now I hope he runs a hole in the wind. Total BS. TJ

TJ

Which Doc Hill is this? Does this precede the Dr Gilman times?

Hi ct,
I was there when Manny Gilman was the chief examining vet.....he was tough as nails, but fair. Many didn't like him....but he looked out for the horses welfare and that was OK with me. If he scratched your horse you better keep that horse off the track until you had him checked out....he was usually right! He recently passed away, last November.
Ted Hill worked for Manny as assistant examining vet and was groomed by Gilman to take over after he retired in '82. Eventually Hill moved up the ladder and became a steward. TJ

winds · Postby **winds** » Sat May 26, 2012 9:15 am

Personally, I don't think the things work. So, that being said, I don't know why he can't wear them. If it gives the trainer the feeling they help, so be it.

winds

Crystal · Postby **Crystal** » Sat May 26, 2012 12:04 pm

If he runs well without it- then it just proves they aren't that great. If he does poorly without a nasal strip then the company can acclaim success and you'll see every horse wearing them.

I agree it may "open the airways" by just making it easier for a horse to take in more air with less effort. However the horse has to use a lot of energy to move the parts in the airway to breathe.. and how he uses the air he takes in is a part of it too..

A horse will not take in any less air into his lungs by not wearing one than he normally does.

zinn21 · Postby **zinn21** » Sat May 26, 2012 12:28 pm

I didn't notice he ran with one. Nasal strips are banned in NY?

Sailor Kenshin · Postby **Sailor Kenshin** » Sat May 26, 2012 1:03 pm

BenB wrote:Racing in the US, is bothered by the lack of an federal institute. All jurisdictions have their own rules.

Bad enough to have stage gubmints meddle. You do NOT want the fed in on racing; that would be the death of it.

jagger · Postby **jagger** » Sun May 27, 2012 5:28 am

There is likely a surgery that would do an even better job of making the airway more efficient/accomodating than these strips. Whether they work or not is not the point to me as anyone can use them so there is NO unfair advantage. If he loses without one on, claiming that this would be the difference by the manufacturer seems absurd. I think a better arguement could be made if he loses would be that he can't win a race unless Bodemeister was in the race as well.

reenci · Postby **reenci** » Tue May 29, 2012 6:03 pm

valjoe wrote:if I was the owner of IHA I would pull him out of the race

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come on ..thats smacks of .."if i cant have my way, im taking my toys and going home"...this horse is on the cusp of greatness and this is no time to get childish :wink:

......though im in the camp of they should allow the nasal strips

....NY is a screwed up state and im the first to admit it.

valjoe · Postby **valjoe** » Tue May 29, 2012 9:21 pm

On a second thought, my be i wont, but it sure sounds tempting :wink:

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Hypothetically speaking, what do you think will happen if they decide to skip the race over this issue.