frankel

[bdw0617]

wow...

i'm telling you if he goes in the classic as they said they were going to try last year i don't give a damn if h never has rano n dirt i'm all in. he's about as unbeatable as i have ever seen anything in my life. and he's way better than he was last year

[ElPrado]

He's unbeatable at a mile so far. Did the mare run in that race?

[bdw0617]

nope. i think she runs tomrorow. she runs in the race that starspangledbanner won last year.

he just trounced excelebration and strong suit. execlebration was with him for like a half a furlong and then frankel just ran him into the ground

I really do not think he can be beaten. at least a a mile. i do not think he anted 10f last year but this year he seems to relax better i think he could handle 10F

[bdw0617]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C-t_gbpGZ2k

in case you missed it.

[TJ]

wow...

i'm telling you if he goes in the classic as they said they were going to try last year i don't give a damn if h never has rano n dirt i'm all in. he's about as unbeatable as i have ever seen anything in my life. and he's way better than he was last year

Hi bdw,
No doubt he's an exciting horse to watch run, but we will all just have to get used to seeing him from across the pond. After the race Cecil said it is "very unlikely" Frankel will participate in the 2012 Breeder's Cup. TJ

[pfrsue]

From: http://www.guardian.co.uk/sport/blog/20 ... acing-tips

Timeform have given Frankel a provisional rating of 147 for today's performance, making him the best Flat racehorse in their history.

147 Frankel provisional
145 Sea Bird II
144 Brigadier Gerard, Tudor Minstrel
142 Abernant, Ribot, Windy City
141 Mill Reef
140 Dancing Brave, Dubai Millennium, Sea The Stars, Shergar, Vaguely Noble

[bdw0617]

i actually believe it too. i believe he is the best european horse i have ever seen. maybe Shergar.

[FOS]

hi bdwo617...hi all

wow...

i'm telling you if he goes in the classic as they said they were going to try last year i don't give a damn if h never has rano n dirt i'm all in.

I appreciate your enthusiasm for the GREAT Frankel...but, ALL IN (now) for the BC Classic?

Yes Frankel's recent runaway (by 11 lengths) G1-winning performance at Royal Ascot was truly BRILLIANT, but the BC Classic (this fall at Santa Anita) will require more than the brilliance that Frankel exposed in the one-mile Queen Anne...and Henry Cecil knows that. He's an absolutely, positively GREAT trainer, and I understand how cerebral Henry can be (when evaluating circumstances/possibilities)...but I doubt that he's quite as confident (right now anyway) as you are, when it comes to going ALL IN on Frankel re this year's mile and a quarter BC Classic.

...he's about as unbeatable as i have ever seen anything in my life.

If you say so, I believe you. I would submit that Spectacular Bid was as unbeatable as I have ever seen, yet he did not go undefeated...nor did the GREAT Affirmed...or the GREAT Secretariat...or the GREAT Seattle Slew...or the GREAT Zenyatta..

...or the GREAT Dr Fager...or the GREAT Buckpasser, and the list goes on, and on.

Reality is...it's horseracing; and, if/when all things are considered, are there really any certainties...other than uncertainty?

and he's way better than he was last year

Maybe. Remember though, it's only June, and thus far this year Frankel's conquered the one mile G1-Lockinge, and the one mile G1-Queen Anne. Let's see where Henry sends him next...will Frankel be asked to try 10 furlongs...or will Henry play it what might be called 'safe' and go a mile again, maybe in the G1-Sussex? The selection may be quite telling.

Best to ya.

Respectfully

[parlo]

http://www.sportinglife.com/racing/news ... ml&BID=465

[FOS]

hi Parlo

Thanks for sharing the following Sporting Life article.

http://www.sportinglife.com/racing/news/story_get.cgi?STORY_NAME=racing/12/06/21/RACING_Camelot.html&BID=465

It may be fun to consider the possibilities, but we'll have to wait and hear/see what Henry himself says/does re Frankel.

Whatever decision Henry (and the Prince) makes, I'm confident that Sir Henry'll have Frankel ready to deliver his best. Will his best be enough to win the 10 furlong G1-Juddmonte International at York, versus Top competition? I'd like to think so...but don't yet feel quite so certain.

It wouldn't surprise me if Henry, also, may have similar feelings...at least right now. Henry's a brilliant trainer, and I'm as confident as can be that he'll watch/observe the GREAT Frankel very closely, and also listen very closely to what Frankel has to say...if you know what I mean .

I look forward to hearing what the decision(s) is/are re Frankel's next start...and future plans.

Best to ya...

...and thanks again.

Respectfuly

[Jorge]

Would like to know if enroute to any of his very impressive winning- margin victories, Frankel has established any track record or near track record. Thanks in advance for your assistance.

[parlo]

Good question!

Racing Post's data base gives differences to standard-times of races (time at same track and distance).

Now in the Queen Anne Stakes at Ascot Frankel covered the mile in 1:37.85 min (fast by 1.15 sec). In any other of his races so far his winning-time was slower than standard time by at least 0.45 sec (Sussex Stakes, Goodwood, and QEII Stakes, Ascot).


But remember: on turf-tracks at Europe champions-horses seldom are in need to run a race-record for winning.

[TJ]

Yes Frankel's recent runaway (by 11 lengths) G1-winning performance at Royal Ascot was truly BRILLIANT, but the BC Classic (this fall at Santa Anita) will require more than the brilliance that Frankel exposed in the one-mile Queen Anne...and Henry Cecil knows that. He's an absolutely, positively GREAT trainer, and I understand how cerebral Henry can be (when evaluating circumstances/possibilities)...but I doubt that he's quite as confident (right now anyway) as you are, when it comes to going ALL IN on Frankel re this year's mile and a quarter BC Classic.


Respectfully

Hi FOS,
It seems Sir Henry isn't interested in crossing the pond with Frankel unless he succumbs to media pressure to run....which isn't going to happen with him. He stated after the Queen Anne it is "very unlikely" Frankel will run in the 2012 BC. At this point Frankel's been lauded as the greatest horse ever to race in Europe. I think staying undefeated in his homeland and retiring as the best there ever was is his safest option. Frankel's sire Galileo was in a similar position...undefeated till Fantastic Light beat him by a head in the Irish Champion Stakes. Off that defeat he came to run in the BC Classic and finished 6th. Sir Henry won't risk doing that. Frankel's yet to prove he can win beyond a mile, so why would he attempt it in the BC Classic over a surface he's never raced over...makes no sense. He has too much to lose at this point since he's undefeated and now holds the honor of the highest Timeform rating ever....that has to weigh heavily against coming to the USA. Looks like The Sussex Stakes will be his next start, which would be a terrible disappointment to think a horse like Frankel is crowned the greatest ever Euro racer without stretching out past one mile. A final thought/concern, did anyone notice Frankel's right fore when when they zoomed in on his final strides to the wire? Seemed as though he was slipping a bit....I didn't notice it when he landed on his left fore? Was I seeing things? TJ

[Jorge]

Great horses like Giant's Causeway, even while being defeated at the international level, demostrated their might "in situ" versus other international horses. Unfortunately, we still have to see that audacity on behalf of our subject topic horse. His main reiterated contender seems not to be an Alydar kind of horse. Right now he kind of reminds Arazi after his Breeders Cup Juvenile triumph. We cannot extrapolate his triumphs because we may incurr in the same errors we recently also witnessed with The Factor, who badly failed at the international level even though among his peers he seemed like a new paradigm monster. On the other hand, we cannot proclaim he is a flop, because he is quite commanding among his peers, but, absolutely, he needs to be tested with tough international competition, not with theoretical charts.
How about going for the longer race distance that awaits him?
Just an opinion.

[bdw0617]

I believe honestly talent wise frankel may be the best race horse i have ever seen. And I mean that. but when you are talking best ever, in those terms that's something that has to be earned, not speculated on. For me to say he's the best ever he has to do something that is out of his comfort zone to do and beat other world class hroses. I don't' consider strong suit and ex-celebration world class horses.

And the sad thing is, I know he could. but they won't.