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Postby Crystal » Fri Jul 27, 2012 11:12 am

we wouldn't know about the breed standard now would we..

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Postby griff » Fri Jul 27, 2012 12:58 pm

ElPrado

a "henny" is the produce of mating a horse stallion with a jenny or female ass.

They look like small mules and never were of much use.

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Postby siegy » Fri Jul 27, 2012 1:28 pm

parlo wrote:... and here another question: Did you read this, @Louis:

http://performancegenetics.com/2012/07/ ... /#more-668


How can you talk on "FFI" if many female families according to official stud-book don't carry that identifying genetic material which should be typical for those female families?


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Postby Affirmed1 » Fri Jul 27, 2012 4:52 pm

[quote="ElPrado"]I've never seen a horse that looked like a hen in my life, and I never will. Just what have you been smoking? Valerian root?[/quote]

Maybe now we know where Henny Hughes got his name. Who knew? :?

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Postby Affirmed1 » Fri Jul 27, 2012 5:07 pm

[quote="ElPrado"]I'm still laughing about henny looking horses. Do they have feathers?
I also don't want a 17 hand individual. Most of them are too lumbering to get out of the stall. I should know, I've owned several. The Tbred's normal size is 16 to 16.2 hands, not 17.1.[/quote]

Does that make Tiznow and Union Rags the anti-hennys? We may be adding an additional level of complexity to this FB1/FB2/NFB dilemma.
Now we have FB1(Henny or Anti-Henny), FB2 (Henny or Anti-Henny), NFB (Henny or Anti-Henny).

By this new, improved taxonomy, I expect that Tiznow would be an NFBAH and Union Rags would be an FB1AH. It remains to be seen if it is possible for an NFB to be a Henny. It also remains to be seen if all Henny Hughes' offspring must be denoted by an asterisk to prevent confusion. Or perhaps his offspring are simply automatically Hennys. Well, I can't think of everything. :shock:

However, we may be sure that Phalaris is the :twisted: :twisted: :twisted: source of all Hennydom.

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Postby louis finochio » Fri Jul 27, 2012 6:22 pm

However, we may be sure that Phalaris is the source of all Hennydom.

It dosent have to be all Ph. sire lines, if those clusters of FFI appear with those prolific crosses of NP FFI, it stamps a henny appearance, like a throw back.
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Postby ElPrado » Fri Jul 27, 2012 7:01 pm

No... the correct term would be HINNY. Now you are going from saying they have a small light boned, frail frame to calling them coarse, and not even spelling it right. :lol: Make up what mind you have left.

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Postby louis finochio » Sat Jul 28, 2012 6:20 am

DDT: Your are not reading Gold Bear's pedigree like i read it. You have left out the missing link of soundness.
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Postby louis finochio » Sat Jul 28, 2012 6:46 am

SILVER STATE (USA) b. C, 2004 DP = 21-10-12-1-0 (44) DI = 5.29 CD = 1.16 - 1 Starts, 0 Wins, 0 Places, 0 Shows Career Earnings: $400

Owner: Grant S. Truman
State Bred: KY

Foaled February 14, 2004.
Suffered a catastrophic knee injury during a workout on the Del Mar Polytrack, August 6, 2007.
Euthanized due to complications following knee surgery, August 28, 2007.

SILVER STATE b. C, 2004---2007
Carson City---Sea Jamie Win, by Dixieland Band

SS was a type 1 FB, being inbred 2 X 4 Mr. P.---5 X 5 Nasrullah---3 X 5 ND---4 X 5 Native Dancer---3 X 5 RAN---3 X 5 Gold Digger

SS had 23 crosses Ph. stallions & 14 crosses Ph. mares.
SS inherited the same Ph. individuals, that has caused the most injuries & breakdowns, thru prolific inbreeding to all Ph. tbs. They are:

RAN 2 crosses, Native Dancer 2 crosses, Nearco, ND 2 crosses, Nasrullah 2 crosses, Nashua, Nijinsky, Nearctic, Mr. P. 2 crosses, Gold Digger 2 crosses, Natalma.
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Postby BenB » Sat Jul 28, 2012 6:52 am

Louis, you are just an one liner.

The forementioned sires, are responsible for 98% of the breed, so 98% from the tb race horses which suffer an breakdown, will also having the same breeding pattern, but this breeding pattern is also responsible for 99% from all the graded and stakes wins

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Postby louis finochio » Sat Jul 28, 2012 7:14 am

There are a high degree of injuries in the breeders quest to breed a superior runner. When a superior FB runner hits the bulls eye in a Group race., the breeder trys again, but encounters a head wind in the process.

These FB are only averaging single starts, as their bone structure is weak. Trainers knw the difference, as they agree with me, that our breed has changed for the worse. You cant fool thse senior trainers.
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Postby DDT » Sat Jul 28, 2012 7:20 am

Louis

No person alive that I know of reads a pedigree the way that you read them because the majority of those people know that influence from the 5th generation and beyond is slight, if at all. Your latest post stems from a breakdown that occurred in 2007 and has been selected by you as an example because it fits your way of thinking, and again, proves nothing.

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Postby BenB » Sat Jul 28, 2012 8:08 am

In the racing post from today, the breeding from galileo x danehill was expressed as the nicking pattern from today highlights, this will automatic results in Northern Dancer 3x4, which will al most automatically beiing an FB cross following The Louis THESIS.

The influence from the racing post is however much and much more important due to their research, than the research from Louis, which is not more than fuelling his own opinion.

So I stick with the notice that Louis, is just an one liner, repeating his own sentences without proof.

http://bloodstock.racingpost.com/news/b ... 80082/top/
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Postby ElPrado » Sat Jul 28, 2012 8:43 am

Someone, (me), told him he was wrong again. He still can't spell his name twice without having it saved as a signature.
No one else in the world reads a pedigree like he reads it, because he doesn't know how to read it.
Now he wants the "missing link"? :roll: That's out of fashion even in paleontology. :lol:

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Postby louis finochio » Sat Jul 28, 2012 12:09 pm

Ben: I am researching & reading what is working & what is not working. I have my own research from what our tb are telling me.They dont lie, as i read & listen to them, then i post what they have told me.

If you dont like what i post, then complain to our tbs not me. Ask your older gallop boys & girls what is the difference from our present tb, to those of the past. I know what they will tell you, as i already asked are gallop boys in the US. All the best Louis.
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