Unbridled's Song sons at stud

Jorge · Postby **Jorge** » Tue Aug 28, 2012 1:48 pm

What about this one:

THORN SONG (gray h 2003)
http://www.pedigreequery.com/thorn+song

01. Sufficient starts
02. Well raced up to 6 years old
03. Stamina female sources

fastappy · Postby **fastappy** » Thu Aug 30, 2012 9:38 am

Jorge wrote:What about this one:

THORN SONG (gray h 2003)
http://www.pedigreequery.com/thorn+song

01. Sufficient starts
02. Well raced up to 6 years old
03. Stamina female sources

Harris Farm bred some of their best mares to Thorn Song, and were selective in his bookings, and therefore he should have a good opportunity. He's limited in the number of mares he can cover due to his initial track injury and subsequent laminitis.

If he can throw his determination into some of the foals, they would be something special.

fastappy · Postby **fastappy** » Thu Aug 30, 2012 9:51 am

It's nice to see Songandaprayer is having a good year, has 9% SHs (4% sw vs 3%) and is closing the gap (upside down) between AEI vs CI from .50 to .39, and a very strong median earnings of 27K.

Currently Ranked 14th on the N.A. sire list w/10 SWs and a modest fee ($6,500). I keep thinking he'll end up in a regional market, but who knows.

Barcaldine · Postby **Barcaldine** » Thu Aug 30, 2012 12:13 pm

Against my better judgment I bred a mare to Songandaprayer this year and she conceived on one cover. Fastappy is correct, he is having a good year on the track and in the sales ring. On the whole, however, most sons of US have been greatly disappointing. Like their sire, they are big, strong types, but dont have the undercarriages to support that kind of mass.

I've always suspected the primary source of the US's unsoundness is LUCKY MEL, sire of his second dam. By Olympia out of a *Royal Charger mare, LUCKY MEL set a NWR for five furlongs in 1956 (:56 2/5) and won a number of juvenile stakes in California. He broke down before starting at three. His progeny were almost universally fast and unsound, too.

THORN SONG was a late developing turf horse who never won below a mile. I understand he had chronic foot problems, which is why he only ran on grass. I suspect he will follow the general path of US sons, throwing good sales yearlings at first but withering on the vine as they hit the track, i.e. BUDDHA.

Tappiano · Postby **Tappiano** » Thu Aug 30, 2012 1:06 pm

I would think if you look at how different the two brothers Unbridled and Cahill Road were physically it would suggest that each could pass along genes that were throwbacks. I thought perhaps that massive body size that Cahill Road has came from the dam's side via Le Fabuleux and that Unbridled's physical appearance was more inline with the sire's side. Cahill Road's racing career ended after the Wood Memorial, Unbridled's lasted until he was retired at the end of his four year old season.

Many of the US sons and grandsons seem to be easy to spot in the paddock, they are the one's who have more bone than almost any other bloodline. If managed correctly, it seems that they can go on and have long careers, but if they are not, they get hurt early and then either they are sent to stud, or they go on the sidelines while the bones finish hardening.

So, which horse is then responsible for passing along that bone? Is it Le Fabuleux or is it the horse you are attributing it to? It's just a question...

Jorge · Postby **Jorge** » Sat Sep 01, 2012 7:32 pm

What about this one:

DUNKIRK (grey h 2006)
http://www.pedigreequery.com/dunkirk9

01. Second in the 12 furlongs Belmont Stakes (Gr-1).
02. Fashionable impeccable proven bottom half pedigree.
03. First or Second among top company 80% of the time.

griff · Postby **griff** » Sat Sep 01, 2012 8:48 pm

dublino

I beg to differ; a lot od DD's get are very pretty. They just could not out run a shetland pony

griff

da hossman · Postby **da hossman** » Mon Sep 03, 2012 4:45 pm

Hey Griff, I am pretty sure Dublino was joking/punning with his comment.

I agree with you that many of the Domestic Dispute's were very good-looking. My favorite horse of the July Fasig Sale a few years ago was a DD colt sold by Michael O'Quinn to Morris Miller then re-sold privately a few days later to Ken McPeek - big profits for both sellers but unfortunately the horse never ran or never ran well. He was given a German sounding name but I cannot remember it.

dublino · Postby **dublino** » Tue Sep 04, 2012 7:29 am

da hossman wrote:Hey Griff, I am pretty sure Dublino was joking/punning with his comment.

Tappiano · Postby **Tappiano** » Tue Sep 04, 2012 1:16 pm

Jorge wrote:What about this one:

DUNKIRK (grey h 2006)
http://www.pedigreequery.com/dunkirk9

01. Second in the 12 furlongs Belmont Stakes (Gr-1).
02. Fashionable impeccable proven bottom half pedigree.
03. First or Second among top company 80% of the time.

#3 would be more impressive if there were more than FIVE career starts..
#2 What else is under the first dam who is now 15 years old and was retired and bred at age FOUR? How is it impeccable if the first dam who has seen the court of the best bred and regarded stallions in the world has one stakes winner under her? Is DUNKIRK her only stakes winner from eight foals?

Georgerz · Postby **Georgerz** » Tue Sep 04, 2012 7:35 pm

Dunkirk is graded stakes placed, but not a stakes winner.

Jorge · Postby **Jorge** » Sun Sep 09, 2012 8:05 am

Jorge wrote:What about this one:

DUNKIRK (grey h 2006)
http://www.pedigreequery.com/dunkirk9

01. Second in the 12 furlongs Belmont Stakes (Gr-1).
02. Fashionable impeccable proven bottom half pedigree.
03. First or Second among top company 80% of the time.

Worth noting that DUNKIRK now has a full brother who was foaled in 2010.
The name of this also grey auspicious colt is PRIVATE ACCESS. http://www.pedigreequery.com/private+access4

Lets see how he unfolds!

wallinga · Postby **wallinga** » Sun Sep 09, 2012 9:34 pm

oliverstoned wrote:.....and the coolest part, no see see I told you so chest thumping from Hold Your Peace (one of my favorite posters).

Great spot! Good effort. Hope you have been cleaning up backing him.

Linda_d · Postby **Linda_d** » Mon Sep 10, 2012 7:29 am

Jorge wrote:
Jorge wrote:What about this one:

DUNKIRK (grey h 2006)
http://www.pedigreequery.com/dunkirk9

01. Second in the 12 furlongs Belmont Stakes (Gr-1).
02. Fashionable impeccable proven bottom half pedigree.
03. First or Second among top company 80% of the time.

Worth noting that DUNKIRK now has a full brother who was foaled in 2010.
The name of this also grey auspicious colt is PRIVATE ACCESS. http://www.pedigreequery.com/private+access4

Lets see how he unfolds!

I wouldn't be too hopeful, Jorge. The 2009 full brother, Awaited, has had 5 starts and only 1 win. In fact, all of the dam's 6 starters combined have only 27 starts among them -- and four of them were colts. The most starts any of them had is 6, and except for Dunkirk, none of the dam's get have won more than 1 race nor earned $20,000.

Jorge · Postby **Jorge** » Mon Sep 10, 2012 10:26 am

Linda_d wrote:
Jorge wrote:
Jorge wrote:What about this one:

DUNKIRK (grey h 2006)
http://www.pedigreequery.com/dunkirk9

01. Second in the 12 furlongs Belmont Stakes (Gr-1).
02. Fashionable impeccable proven bottom half pedigree.
03. First or Second among top company 80% of the time.

Worth noting that DUNKIRK now has a full brother who was foaled in 2010.
The name of this also grey auspicious colt is PRIVATE ACCESS. http://www.pedigreequery.com/private+access4

Lets see how he unfolds!

Three full brothers:

01. DUNKIRK
02. AWAITED (2009)
03. PRIVATE ACCESS (2010)

I wouldn't be too hopeful, Jorge. The 2009 full brother, Awaited, has had 5 starts and only 1 win. In fact, all of the dam's 6 starters combined have only 27 starts among them -- and four of them were colts. The most starts any of them had is 6, and except for Dunkirk, none of the dam's get have won more than 1 race nor earned $20,000.