Bright Thought: The long-distance Japanese-pedigreed horse (not necessarily known to be an awesome stayer) who just broke a 1-1/2 course record while lets say, "toying around".
Given the emphasis on long distance assigned by Japanese breeders, this surprising performance makes some of us ask ''Is it any wonder"?
Is there any breeding lesson to be learned?
Bright Thought --- Is it any wonder?
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Re: Bright Thought --- Is it any wonder?
Jorge wrote:Bright Thought: The long-distance Japanese-pedigreed horse (not necessarily known to be an awesome stayer) who just broke a 1-1/2 course record while lets say, "toying around".
Given the emphasis on long distance assigned by Japanese breeders, this surprising performance makes some of us ask ''Is it any wonder"?
Is there any breeding lesson to be learned?
Hi Jorge,
How are you? I see no Japanese influence in the pedigree of Bright Thought who is a Kentucky bred colt. Other than the fact Hat Trick, his sire raced in and was born in Japan after his Florida bred dam was shipped to Japan and bred to Sunday Silence who was a Kentucky bred. There isn't a single line of Japanese breeding in Bright Thoughts pedigree or in the pedigree of his sire, Hat Trick (JPN). The breeding lesson to be learned is for Japan....keep buying American bloodlines:>) TJ
Bright Thought
Actually, not just a course record but a WORLD RECORD, breaking Hawkster's record that had stood for 27 years!! The first quarter, going downhill I think, was the slowest at 24.58, followed by 22.90, 23.00, 24.35, 23.92 and 23.97 for a 2:22.72. Amazing fractions. I would be more interested in the training regimen of this horse rather than the pedigree.
Interestingly for me, the horse that placed in the race was All Squared Away. I was at Keeneland last spring and saw him win the biggest race of the day and off 70:1 odds
I remember it so vividly because one of our guests had put $10 on him. Our good friend has had at least 2 cardiac bypasses and cardiac stents. He did not adivse of us of his wager, so as to avoid any criticism for placing a foolish bet on a 70:1 shot I suspect. As the race evolved, All Squared Away worked his way around the pack and just nipped the leader at the wire. Our friend had worked himself into such a state as the race progressed and his longshot crossed the line that all sitting at our table thought sure he was going to have another MI. 
It made the day for all of us. 
Interestingly for me, the horse that placed in the race was All Squared Away. I was at Keeneland last spring and saw him win the biggest race of the day and off 70:1 odds
I remember it so vividly because one of our guests had put $10 on him. Our good friend has had at least 2 cardiac bypasses and cardiac stents. He did not adivse of us of his wager, so as to avoid any criticism for placing a foolish bet on a 70:1 shot I suspect. As the race evolved, All Squared Away worked his way around the pack and just nipped the leader at the wire. Our friend had worked himself into such a state as the race progressed and his longshot crossed the line that all sitting at our table thought sure he was going to have another MI. It made the day for all of us. 
When we closely examine the bottom half of Bright Though's pedigree
and even some parts of his paternal pedigree, yes, there you find a lot
of American names who were crossed and raised in the US ---that's true! But there is a very conspicuous detail seen here: the names of very solid sturdy horses, with exposure to tough distance races or at least proven sires of distance horses. Names like Fleet Nasrullah, Speak John, Avatar, even the relentless Codex are some of them. The key to success here seems to be the reiterated combination of relative "unfashionable" sturdy distance horses put together regardless of pedigree vogue. Yes, absolutely, most of them are American-bred horses, but the key is that they were glued together regardless of their unfashionable status. You can put in a pedigree a broodmare sire, like say, Princequillo, but if the rest of the combo isn't heavily reinforced the pedigree may lack some extra "overdrive" to excel the way Bright Thought perfomed.
The pedigree of this horse is sturdily reinforced on both halves of his lineage. Not necessarily in a fashionable way, albeit efficiently.
I suggest to take an additional look at some of the other remote
ancestors found in this pedigree. Some of the toughest historical racehorse. The lesson may well be to explore new creative sturdy
combinations putting aside for awhile the all-present "precocity" factor.
The only patent difference between Japanese racing and American racing is that they are still reiteratedly pursuing in long distance stakes for sophomore and older horses which is a great incentive for breeders to produce more distance-oriented sires.
and even some parts of his paternal pedigree, yes, there you find a lot
of American names who were crossed and raised in the US ---that's true! But there is a very conspicuous detail seen here: the names of very solid sturdy horses, with exposure to tough distance races or at least proven sires of distance horses. Names like Fleet Nasrullah, Speak John, Avatar, even the relentless Codex are some of them. The key to success here seems to be the reiterated combination of relative "unfashionable" sturdy distance horses put together regardless of pedigree vogue. Yes, absolutely, most of them are American-bred horses, but the key is that they were glued together regardless of their unfashionable status. You can put in a pedigree a broodmare sire, like say, Princequillo, but if the rest of the combo isn't heavily reinforced the pedigree may lack some extra "overdrive" to excel the way Bright Thought perfomed.
The pedigree of this horse is sturdily reinforced on both halves of his lineage. Not necessarily in a fashionable way, albeit efficiently.
I suggest to take an additional look at some of the other remote
ancestors found in this pedigree. Some of the toughest historical racehorse. The lesson may well be to explore new creative sturdy
combinations putting aside for awhile the all-present "precocity" factor.
The only patent difference between Japanese racing and American racing is that they are still reiteratedly pursuing in long distance stakes for sophomore and older horses which is a great incentive for breeders to produce more distance-oriented sires.
Northern Dancer
Can not remember a recent graded stakes winning turf horse without Northern Dancer in the pedigree. I am sure I am missing someone.
Give the Pope and the King of England a horse and in thirty days, they'll be stealing halters.
Re: Northern Dancer
hpkingjr wrote:Can not remember a recent graded stakes winning turf horse without Northern Dancer in the pedigree. I am sure I am missing someone.
Little Mike?
TJ wrote:bdw0617 wrote:i don't think it has anything to do with the pedigrees. I watched a documentary thing of sort of how they train over there. they aren't playing around. they train the shit out of their horses over there
Hi bdw,
The horse we're talking about is trained in California. TJ
bdw0617 wrote:but was broke in japan
Hi bdw,
Bright Thought never set hoof in Japan. He is a Kentucky (USA) bred horse. His sire, Hat Trick (JPN), was bred, raised, broke and raced in Japan yet he is a product of a Florida bred dam and a Kentucky bred stallion. After Hat Trick was done racing, he was sent to Walmac Farm in Kentucky (USA) to stand stud duty. This is where Bright Thought was conceived.
Bright Thought's race record: http://www.equibase.com/profiles/Result ... registry=T
Hat Trick (JPN) was later moved to Gainesway Farm in Lexington, Kentucky (USA) where he currently stands for 15,000 American dollars. TJ
http://www.bloodhorse.com/stallion-regi ... -trick-jpn
Trevor
Yep....just rewatched the video on DRF and at 4:09 of the replay, several minutes after the finish, Trevor Denman announces that it is a new Track Record.
Also just discovered that he got a Beyer Score of 104 I really don't understand all the nuances of what goes into establishing a Beyer Score but REALLY???? A horse sets a World Record that stood for 27 years and you get a Beyer of 104? 
Also just discovered that he got a Beyer Score of 104
I really don't understand all the nuances of what goes into establishing a Beyer Score but REALLY???? A horse sets a World Record that stood for 27 years and you get a Beyer of 104?