Orb "probably" out for the year according to his owner, though Shug can find no reason for his poor performance? Read the story below. TJ
http://www.drf.com/news/belmont-park-or ... ished-year
Orb Out For Year? Goes to Stud
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Orb Out For Year? Goes to Stud
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Blown Engine Syndrome
From the article:
“Statistically, for whatever reason, it is very hard for horses that have won the Derby to have a strong second half of the year,” Janney said. Janney said a review of those statistics was in part what went into the decision to “do things a little different” approaching the second half of the year. One was to keep Orb training at Fair Hill. The other was skipping a prep race before the Travers."
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A friend of mine took me watch Top Fuel Dragsters some years ago, most of us have seen em', the real long thin dragster, small front tires and wheels, huge rear tires, monstrous terribly loud engine that sometimes blows in a flash of flames. They run as fast as possible for a quarter mile, a "pass" they call it. That one quarter mile "pass" is so destructive to the engine and its parts the mechanics rebuild and replace parts of the engine in order for their dragster to be competitive when making another "pass."
Not so much different from the modern day thoroughbred . . . exceptin' the parts can't be rebuilt or replaced. From the first time they demonstrate an inkling of ability they are pointed towards the long-sought empire - at all cost, keeping in mind, " this is not a sport, this is a business." They make their "pass" in our greatest race, they run as fast as they can, and as Janey writes, " statistically for whatever reason, it is very hard for horses that have won the Derby to have a strong second half of the year." Time off and a "freshening" sometimes helps but most of em' usually revert to lower speed figures and they return to the races, never the same.
Think I'll give this " for whatever reason" a moniker, a nickname. Think I'll call it Blown Engine Syndrome.
“Statistically, for whatever reason, it is very hard for horses that have won the Derby to have a strong second half of the year,” Janney said. Janney said a review of those statistics was in part what went into the decision to “do things a little different” approaching the second half of the year. One was to keep Orb training at Fair Hill. The other was skipping a prep race before the Travers."
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A friend of mine took me watch Top Fuel Dragsters some years ago, most of us have seen em', the real long thin dragster, small front tires and wheels, huge rear tires, monstrous terribly loud engine that sometimes blows in a flash of flames. They run as fast as possible for a quarter mile, a "pass" they call it. That one quarter mile "pass" is so destructive to the engine and its parts the mechanics rebuild and replace parts of the engine in order for their dragster to be competitive when making another "pass."
Not so much different from the modern day thoroughbred . . . exceptin' the parts can't be rebuilt or replaced. From the first time they demonstrate an inkling of ability they are pointed towards the long-sought empire - at all cost, keeping in mind, " this is not a sport, this is a business." They make their "pass" in our greatest race, they run as fast as they can, and as Janey writes, " statistically for whatever reason, it is very hard for horses that have won the Derby to have a strong second half of the year." Time off and a "freshening" sometimes helps but most of em' usually revert to lower speed figures and they return to the races, never the same.
Think I'll give this " for whatever reason" a moniker, a nickname. Think I'll call it Blown Engine Syndrome.
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Is there any statistic on Derby winners (or second place finishers) who after winning the Derby (or finishing second) skipped the Preakness and the Belmont and then returned for the Travers Stakes along with the rest of the season? I am under the impressions that the numbers under this occurrences may be much better. Alas Derby favorite Holy Bull cannot qualify under this scenario due to his poor Derby performance but that almost 3-month absence he had worked huge on him.
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Found a few notes on the subject . . . appears as you have written one has to pay DRF to read their story.
Belmont notes: McGaughey could run Orb again this year
10/03/2013
ELMONT, N.Y. – Kentucky Derby winner Orb might not be finished running this year after all. Orb, who ... returned to Belmont Park, where on Wednesday he galloped over the main track. Orb finished last – without ... his progress. “I just got to try to figure it out,” McGaughey said as he watched Orb gallop under ...
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Guess he galloped and appeared fine, Shug is trying to figure out what went wrong. Maybe the answer can be found in the race record: 3rd,4th,4th,1st,1st,1st,1st,1st,4th,3rd,3rd,8th. Or maybe the answer can be found in what the jockey said after the race: "The only thing I can tell you about the horse is that on the backside, I didn't have any horse early in the race. He come up flat and empty today," jockey Javier Castellano said. "I never rode him before but he was in great position today. He was in hand and just galloping along, but he didn't fire today." Maybe a hint can be found in the past performance comments, "Orb bobbled at the start, underwent a three to four wide journey, was through after going three-quarters." Doesn't take the Hall of Fame to realize the horse has gone off form and needs rest and to race him further would risk injury (poor fella). Hard to think these connections would risk their first Derby winner.
Ahhhhh, but alas, that Eclipse Award sure would mean a lot, wouldn't it? We haven't had one of those in a while - that with winning the Florida and the Kentucky - boy oh boy can you imagine the stud fee! Well . . . take another look Shug, see if you can't fit him in somewheres.
I took a look at the National Stakes Condition Book http://www.bloodhorse.com/horse-racing/national-stakes-conditions?utm_source=Navigation&utm_medium=Links&utm_campaign=MainNav, didn't see any fit less the Breeders' Cup.
Do they dare!?
Belmont notes: McGaughey could run Orb again this year
10/03/2013
ELMONT, N.Y. – Kentucky Derby winner Orb might not be finished running this year after all. Orb, who ... returned to Belmont Park, where on Wednesday he galloped over the main track. Orb finished last – without ... his progress. “I just got to try to figure it out,” McGaughey said as he watched Orb gallop under ...
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Guess he galloped and appeared fine, Shug is trying to figure out what went wrong. Maybe the answer can be found in the race record: 3rd,4th,4th,1st,1st,1st,1st,1st,4th,3rd,3rd,8th. Or maybe the answer can be found in what the jockey said after the race: "The only thing I can tell you about the horse is that on the backside, I didn't have any horse early in the race. He come up flat and empty today," jockey Javier Castellano said. "I never rode him before but he was in great position today. He was in hand and just galloping along, but he didn't fire today." Maybe a hint can be found in the past performance comments, "Orb bobbled at the start, underwent a three to four wide journey, was through after going three-quarters." Doesn't take the Hall of Fame to realize the horse has gone off form and needs rest and to race him further would risk injury (poor fella). Hard to think these connections would risk their first Derby winner.
Ahhhhh, but alas, that Eclipse Award sure would mean a lot, wouldn't it? We haven't had one of those in a while - that with winning the Florida and the Kentucky - boy oh boy can you imagine the stud fee! Well . . . take another look Shug, see if you can't fit him in somewheres.
I took a look at the National Stakes Condition Book http://www.bloodhorse.com/horse-racing/national-stakes-conditions?utm_source=Navigation&utm_medium=Links&utm_campaign=MainNav, didn't see any fit less the Breeders' Cup.
Do they dare!?
Restriction of free thought and free speech is the most dangerous of all subversions. - William O. Douglas
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It is the characteristic of the most stringent censorships, that they give credibility to the opinions they attack. - Voltaire
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It is the characteristic of the most stringent censorships, that they give credibility to the opinions they attack. - Voltaire
After Orb worked a 1/2 in 49.77B, Shug is still uncertain, but will go along with Orb's training and see where it takes them? If all goes well, the Cigar Mile at Aqueduct is on the agenda Nov. 3oth? TJ
http://www.bloodhorse.com/horse-racing/ ... -as-target
http://www.bloodhorse.com/horse-racing/ ... -as-target
The decision has been made....ORB will not make another start and has been retired to stand stud duty at Claiborne. TJ
http://www.drf.com/news/orb-retired-claiborne-farm
http://www.drf.com/news/orb-retired-claiborne-farm