Data Indicates the Reforms Will Fail

[Whirlaway]

As a matter of clarification and for the record,The Uniform National Rules Regarding Medication, Penalties and Laboratory Accreditation consist of four (4) Exhibits, or “rules.” There are twenty-nine (29) states involved in implementing the rules. Here are the rules and their status.

(Helpful to take a look at this link first - provides a nice visual of the data - scroll down: http://www.horseracingreform.org/default.asp?section=2&area=7)

Exhibit A - Rule 1:Controlled Therapeutic Medication Schedule (Sets drug threshold levels)
Rule passed in 8 states, in process in 9 states, under discussion in 7 states, 5 states are uncommitted.
59% approve, 41 % disapprove

Exhibit B - Rule 2: Use and Administration of Bleeder Medications (Requires private vets administer Lasix)
Rule passed in 12 states, in process in 1 state, under discussion in 5 states, 11 states uncommitted.
45% approve, 55% disapprove

Exhibit C - Rule 3: Laboratory Accreditation Requirements and Operating Standards
4 Labs accredited, 19 in accreditation process, 6 not accredited
14% of labs accredited, 65% under accreditation

Exhibit D - Rule 4: Multiple Medication Violations Penalty System - MMV (Sets penalties for threshold overages)
Rule passed in 4 states, in process in 3 states, under discussion in 4 states, 18 states uncommitted.
28% approve, 72% disapprove


Synopsis: The data indicates 56% of the states want the drug threshold levels(A), but 72% of the states don’t want the associated penalties(D); 55% of the states want to control the administration of Lasix(B). Only 4 labs, 14% are accredited, but 65% are in the accreditation process – the accreditation process can take months and years.


The data indicates only 1 state, Virginia, has passed all four rules.


The data indicates the reforms will fail. Ol’ boys at the Jockey Club have gotta’ be shakin’ their heads, wondering what to do next.


Here are the links supporting the data:
Horse Racing Reform: http://www.horseracingreform.org/default.asp?section=2&area=7

Uniform National Rules Regarding Medication (mid page, right): http://www.ntra.com/en/safety-alliance/uniform-national-rules-regarding-medication-penalties-and-laboratory-testing/

[TJ]

The good news is that you finally are acknowledging that reforms are under way. The bad news is you now try to knock the time it takes to do. These reforms will be implemented....it has to take time to get all these states to agree. Reforms take meeting's and discussions. They take lawful rule changes which are different in all the states. Some move faster then others and some reforms will take longer discussions. They will be passed and it won't take years....RMTC has asked for commitment to these reforms and have gotten it. It is now in the hands of the states judicial process to implement new rules....not done overnight. Not a dictatorship either....that is why the discussions will be ongoing till the state and horsemen/women are in agreement. The major race tracks in America are signed on, the rest will follow or the betting public should be smart enough to stay away from those race tracks when looking to bet their money. TJ

[Whirlaway]

The data indicates only 1 state, Virginia, has passed all four rules in the process of confirming the Uniform National Rules Regarding Medication, Penalties and Laboratory Accreditation. There appears to be no doubt that the "Reforms" will fail.

Recall what Chairman Phipps said at the last Jockey Club Roundtable Conference and I will repeat it here: " ... but ladies and gentlemen, the clock is ticking. If the current medication reform effort stalls, The Jockey Club may well lend its support to federal legislation."

[TJ]

The data indicates only 1 state, Virginia, has passed all four rules in the process of confirming the Uniform National Rules Regarding Medication, Penalties and Laboratory Accreditation. There appears to be no doubt that the "Reforms" will fail.

Recall what Chairman Phipps said at the last Jockey Club Roundtable Conference and I will repeat it here: " ... but ladies and gentlemen, the clock is ticking. If the current medication reform effort stalls, The Jockey Club may well lend its support to federal legislation."

The industry will not fail...it means to much to the future of racing in America. Data also indicates that most gamblers will lose their money betting on horses...but it doesn't stop them. TJ

[Whirlaway]

As of this date, only 1 state of 29 has passed all four "rules." I will continue to monitor this process and post any changes in the percentages.

[hpkingjr]

Whirl:

"You figure much too rapidly." If memory serves, that was a quote from The Flim Flam Man by George C. Scott.

My observation is that many states are in the process of implementing yet you act as if they voted to disapprove the rules. Please document where all these states voted to disapprove the rules.

It takes time to fix the problems. The times they are a changing.

[Whirlaway]

Whirl:

"You figure much too rapidly." If memory serves, that was a quote from The Flim Flam Man by George C. Scott.

My observation is that many states are in the process of implementing yet you act as if they voted to disapprove the rules. Please document where all these states voted to disapprove the rules.

It takes time to fix the problems. The times they are a changing.

There's none so blind as those who will not see.

~

Dr. Sheila Lyons provides a historic perspective on the “reform” process, fixing the problems and the times they are a changin'.

Dr. Lyons:


"We have been waiting for decades for promised reforms to materialize through self-regulation. The first Congressional hearings took place on this same topic in May of 1982. At that time, industry representatives made the same promises to Congress and the American people. They assured us that change was imminent and that the industry could police itself and integrity and safety would improve. Well, the situation has, indeed, changed - but not for the better. Instead, the sport horse industry has seen more than three decades of steady decline. They asked for a little more time to produce these improved results and the federal government gave it to them. I believe that thirty years is time enough."


The link to the Jockey Club data: http://www.horseracingreform.org/defaul ... n=2&area=7

[TJ]

Whirl:

"You figure much too rapidly." If memory serves, that was a quote from The Flim Flam Man by George C. Scott.

My observation is that many states are in the process of implementing yet you act as if they voted to disapprove the rules. Please document where all these states voted to disapprove the rules.

It takes time to fix the problems. The times they are a changing.

There's none so blind as those who will not see.

~

Dr. Sheila Lyons provides a historic perspective on the “reform” process, fixing the problems and the times they are a changin'.

Dr. Lyons:


"We have been waiting for decades for promised reforms to materialize through self-regulation. The first Congressional hearings took place on this same topic in May of 1982. At that time, industry representatives made the same promises to Congress and the American people. They assured us that change was imminent and that the industry could police itself and integrity and safety would improve. Well, the situation has, indeed, changed - but not for the better. Instead, the sport horse industry has seen more than three decades of steady decline. They asked for a little more time to produce these improved results and the federal government gave it to them. I believe that thirty years is time enough."


The link to the Jockey Club data: http://www.horseracingreform.org/defaul ... n=2&area=7

Dr. Sheila Lyons...now you're back quoting her again. As if the truth ever comes from congressional hearings, show me one congressional hearing that ever left us without questions as to what the real truth is......NSA Hearings, IRS scandal hearings, Fast and Furious hearings, Benghazi Hearings, Obamacare hearings...etc, etc? Lyons interpretation of racing history is a bit flawed. She has her own agenda considering her ongoing court battle with American Veterinary Medical Association and the board of directors of the American College of Veterinary Sports Medicine and Rehabilitation that she claims to have founded. The truth is, racing was much worse off not only 30 years ago...but long before that and it has cleaned up by far through the years. The permitted drugs today, are far less harmful then the drugs used prior to proper racing regulation and drug testing. Cocaine, sublimaze, xylocaine, reserpine, dilaudid, stadol, heroin etc...were used undetected. Advances in racing have eliminated all of these potent pain killers. The pain relief meds used today are nothing compared to those mentioned, which were used in years past. Bute dulls pain, but doesn't prevent a horse from feeling it and pulling up, which is pains intended use in all living things. The drugs mentioned made a horse feel no pain at all....they would run like the wind, break a leg and keep on going unaware of what just happened. If racing remained as stagnant as Lyons would lead us to believe, why then are these drugs no longer used? Here's an article written by Haskin that will shed some light on the history of drugs in racing and how far we've come from the so called good old when they raced on hay, oats and water.....kind of reminds me of the Euro's hay, oats and water claims. TJ
http://cs.bloodhorse.com/blogs/horse-ra ... erica.aspx

[Whirlaway]

Back to the topic of the thread, the status of the Uniform National Rules Regarding Medication, Penalties and Laboratory Accreditation. I have review the data provided by the Jockey Club and the TOBA, no change with only one (1) state passing all four (4) reforms.

It will be interesting to watch how this process plays out come the first quarter of the new year.

[TJ]

Back to the topic of the thread, the status of the Uniform National Rules Regarding Medication, Penalties and Laboratory Accreditation. I have review the data provided by the Jockey Club and the TOBA, no change with only one (1) state passing all four (4) reforms.

It will be interesting to watch how this process plays out come the first quarter of the new year.

Talk about...none so blind as those who will not see? Funny how you run from the post and return to to the topic after you're the one that sends it off in another direction of your choosing without commenting to the post. Assuring true discussions will never be had....otherwise you would have responded, as most would expect, to attest to what you posted.
The first quarter of the new year and how new reforms play out means nothing. What is important concerning that first quarter of the new year, is that the Jan 1, 2014 date was set to assure all racing states will be discussing and working to implementing these nationwide uniform goals for racing. Although there will be at least 60% of the racing's pari-mutual handle under many of these reforms by Jan 1, 2014. I know if I relied on gambling to make a living, I would make my bets at the tracks which have implemented the reforms? Thereby allowing the fans/gamblers to put pressure on the states who currently have not implemented. No better reason for these states to get cracking, then seeing their handle fall because the fans/gamblers are betting at those tracks who have implemented these reforms.
Listen to this video, this is someone who is vested in the horse racing business. As a matter of fact, he is the CEO of Horse Racing Reform, who's website you posted in this thread. There are various problems in making all these reforms work throughout this large land of ours. Much has to do with government red tape and the additional expenses needed to implement these reforms and new testing procedures....impossible to expect it to happen in the few short years RMTC is around. If there was no agreement in the industry concerning these reforms, RMTC never would have gotten as far as they have all ready. TJ
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cnQiUFONM2E

[Whirlaway]

Reform Adoption Timeline: Every jurisdiction in the United States that conducts pari-mutuel horse racing is urged to fully and uniformly adopt each of the Reforms without amendment or substantive modification by January 1, 2014, or as soon thereafter as practicable given any legal or procedural limits on adoption or implementation in individual jurisdictions.

The critical terms in the paragraph:

Every jurisdiction

Urged to fully and uniformly adopt each of the Reforms without amendment or substantive modification by January, 1, 2014

Or as soon thereafter as practicable given any legal or procedural limits

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At this point in time only one (1) jurisdiction has uniformly adopted each of the Reforms without amendment or substantive modification. The "soon thereafter as practicable" is critical; soon doesn't mean discussion can carry on five or six months from now or later in the year as that is not practicable. Most of the states (72%) are balking on the penalties.

[TJ]

Reform Adoption Timeline: Every jurisdiction in the United States that conducts pari-mutuel horse racing is urged to fully and uniformly adopt each of the Reforms without amendment or substantive modification by January 1, 2014, or as soon thereafter as practicable given any legal or procedural limits on adoption or implementation in individual jurisdictions.

The critical terms in the paragraph:

Every jurisdiction

Urged to fully and uniformly adopt each of the Reforms without amendment or substantive modification by January, 1, 2014

Or as soon thereafter as practicable given any legal or procedural limits

~

At this point in time only one (1) jurisdiction has uniformly adopted each of the Reforms without amendment or substantive modification. The "soon thereafter as practicable" is critical; soon doesn't mean discussion can carry on five or six months from now or later in the year as that is not practicable. Most of the states (72%) are balking on the penalties.

Yes and herein lies the rub...or as soon thereafter as practicable given any legal or procedural limits on adoption or implementation in individual jurisdictions. This takes time, but it will get done. It takes time to accomplish due to legal and procedural limits in that state...not hard to understand? In the mean time, don't bet in the states that haven't passed the reforms. TJ
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cnQiUFONM2E

[hpkingjr]

Whirl:

"You figure much too rapidly." If memory serves, that was a quote from The Flim Flam Man by George C. Scott.

My observation is that many states are in the process of implementing yet you act as if they voted to disapprove the rules. Please document where all these states voted to disapprove the rules.

It takes time to fix the problems. The times they are a changing.

There's none so blind as those who will not see.

~

Whirl:

It was a simple question. I asked you to document the disapproval of the rules. Spinning off in another direction without answering the question demonstrates that you made up your stats and have nothing to back up your fabrications. Please try to be accurate and truthful.

When you have proof come back but please do not orbit instead of a simple truthful answer.

[Whirlaway]

My observation is that many states are in the process of implementing yet you act as if they voted to disapprove the rules. Please document where all these states voted to disapprove the rules.

Jr:

I tried to avoid your question as I found your question and the foundation upon which you base your question misleading. The data proves the claim “many states are in the process of implementing” is not true and your claim “yet you act as if they voted to disapprove the rules” is also not true, as I have performed no such “act.” You’ve created a question based upon untruths. I cannot provide a truthful answer to a question formulated upon falsehoods (I've got this hankerin' you probably knew that).

Please reconsider the foundation of your question - try to be accurate and truthful. Please refrain from presenting loaded questions.

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As a demonstration of good faith, I have summarized the Jockey Club data as found in the link. The data does not demonstrate the states have voted to disapprove the rules rather the data demonstrates the Reforms will fail.

Exhibit A - 41% disapprove, 59% approve
Exhibit B - 55% disapprove, 45% approve
Exhibit C - 4% of labs accredited, 65% under accreditation
Exhibit D - 72% disapprove, 28% approve,

At this time, the data indicates most states are not in the process of implementing the Reforms. Considering the timeline provided below, considering ninety-five percent (95%) of the states have not adopted all four (4) Reforms and considering there are only four (4) business days remaining in 2013, the data indicates the Reforms will fail.

Reform Adoption Timeline: Every jurisdiction in the United States that conducts pari-mutuel horse racing is urged to fully and uniformly adopt each of the Reforms without amendment or substantive modification by January 1, 2014, or as soon thereafter as practicable given any legal or procedural limits on adoption or implementation in individual jurisdictions.

[hpkingjr]

The question was and is simple. Your figures are made up. You can wordsmith till the cows come home, but apparently you are unable to demonstrate the DISAPPROVAL numbers that you posted. I understand your zeal but I am beginning to question your veracity.