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PostPosted: Fri Jul 06, 2018 12:27 pm 
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Since most every owner and trainer wants to win Triple Crown Races, I looked to see which recent sires had multiple horses that finished first, second or third in the Kentucky Derby, Preakness or Belmont from 2008 through 2018. I was surprised at how few sires had multiple placings (13) and how few had multiple winners of TC races (Tapit-3, Curlin-2, Birdstone-2). When it comes to grand-sires, AP Indy wins hands down, with seven different sons siring horses that placed in a Triple Crown race from 2008 through 2018 (Bernardini, Jump Start, Malibu Moon, Master Command, Mineshaft, Pulpit and Stephen Got Even). But only one of AP Indy's offspring has produced a TC race winner, Orb, by Malibu Moon. No other grand-sire has sired more than two sons who sired a horse that placed in an TC race between 2008 and 2018. So if you want to succeed in Triple Crown races, your best choices are Curlin, Tapit or a son of AP Indy. The only bargain in the bunch is Birdstone.

I have a spreadsheet with this and other data re female family, broodmare sires, broodmare class, etc. PM me with an email address if you want a copy of the spreadsheet. It's interesting to sort by the different criteria.

HORSE--------------- SIRE--------------- Wins
Astrology--------------- AP Indy
Commissioner--------------- AP Indy
Paynter--------------- Awesome Again
Oxbow--------------- Awesome Again------------- P
Bravazo--------------- Awesome Again
Mine That Bird--------------- Birdstone--------------- KD
Summer Bird--------------- Birdstone--------------- B
Good Magic--------------- Curlin
Irish War Cry--------------- Curlin
Ride on Curlin--------------- Curlin
Tenfold--------------- Curlin
Exaggerator--------------- Curlin --------------- P
Keen Ice--------------- Curlin
Palace Malice--------------- Curlin--------------- B
Brilliant Speed--------------- Dynaformer
Medal Count--------------- Dynaformer
Pioneer of the Nile--------------- Empire Maker
Bodemeister--------------- Empire Maker
Creative Cause---------------- Giants Causeway
Destin--------------- Giants Causeway
Mucho Macho Man--------------- Macho Uno
Macho Again--------------- Macho Uno
Nehro--------------- Mineshaft
Fly Down--------------- Mineshaft
Classic Empire--------------- Pioneer of the Nile
Social Inclusion--------------- Pioneer of the Nile
American Pharoah--------------- Pioneer of the Nile--------------- KD-P-B
Lookin at Lucky--------------- Smart Strike
Battle of Midway--------------- Smart Strike
Divining Rod--------------- Tapit
Frosted--------------- Tapit--------------- B
Tonalist--------------- Tapit--------------- B
Creator--------------- Tapit--------------- B
Tapwrit--------------- Tapit
Lani--------------- Tapit
Hofburg--------------- Tapit
Dunkirk--------------- Unbridled's Song
Eight Belles--------------- Unbridled's Song

PostPosted: Sat Jul 07, 2018 10:21 am 
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My favourite, Unbridled, figures well in there with Empire Maker/Pioneerofthe Nile and Unbridled's Song and Birdstone (through Grindstone).

PostPosted: Sun Jul 08, 2018 10:01 am 
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Birdstone's sons were 3rd generation TC race winners, an impressive feat I feel hasn't been done much.

PostPosted: Wed Jul 11, 2018 10:04 am 
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AP Indy and Unbridled appear most often in the pedigrees of successful TC runners. Storm Cat is all over the dam sides of successful TC runners, but is pretty much a no show on the sire lines. One stallion that I do not think gets enough credit as an important stallion is Smart Strike. He is a TC sire (Curlin, Lookin at Lucky, Battle of Midway), grand sire (through Curlin and Lookin at Lucky), broodmare sire (Mine That Bird, First Dude) and second dam sire (Gronkowski).

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