Montjeu

Galileo1998 · Postby **Galileo1998** » Thu Nov 03, 2005 4:09 pm

Will stand for 125,000 euros in 2006 which works out to about $150,000 USD. I believe this puts him behind only Sadler's Wells in Europe for stud fee.

louis finochio · Postby **louis finochio** » Thu Nov 03, 2005 5:17 pm

What was Montjeu 05 fee?

FOS · Postby **FOS** » Thu Nov 03, 2005 9:50 pm

hi louis finochio

I believe that Montjeu stood for E45,000 in 2005. I suggest that he proved to be a bargain (probably an understatement :lol:

).

That being said...if I recall correctly, Mike (from downunder) has not been particularly impressed by the performances of the Montjeus in Australia.

Respectfully

Mike · Postby **Mike** » Fri Nov 04, 2005 3:30 am

Hi Fos and all.
I have not been impressed with Montjeu down here, but how often do we see that some will do it down here and some will do it up there. Our most famous one was Danehill, who after a while did it in the Northern hemisphere,But has always been outstanding here. His sons have proved to be also.
Montjeu is a flop down here and will not recover!! Silly statement!!

BenB · Postby **BenB** » Fri Nov 04, 2005 11:15 am

How old is the first, oldest crop in the southern hemisphere?
I do think that most of his off spring needs distance, and juice in the ground.
A lot of them are temperamental, how is that coresponding to racing habits in australia.
The top horses by him didn,t make much starts, so maybe a little unsoundness is there?
Besides I tend to think, that they improve with age.
Are the aussies able to wait with them, spending money only for training?
The raise in stud fee seems far too much for me, but the coolmore team will pick him up as the next saddlers wells, so the coresponding stud fee is there.

Mike · Postby **Mike** » Fri Nov 04, 2005 2:21 pm

Hi BenB
Montjeu's oldest progeny in Australasia are 3. He commenced stud duties in New Zealand in 2001, the same year as he started in Ireland. He did not come out this year and probably won't return as NZ cannot pay the high service fees. If he came to Australia instead, I doubt that he would get the patronage required.
In NZ the progeny will get the required patience for a slow maturing horse and I know of a couple here that are getting time, because they haven't shown enough to take to the races. Their temperament is OK, for the ones I've had anything to do with. They were geldings.
Why have a horse that improves with age when one can have a horse that races early. We live in a fast world today so thats a nogoer. He's had his chance here. There should have been one 2yo that was OK.
He's a goneburger.

louis finochio · Postby **louis finochio** » Fri Nov 04, 2005 2:31 pm

How many Montjeu's have raced in (Aus) ? Of the M that raced how many broke their maiden?

louis finochio · Postby **louis finochio** » Fri Nov 04, 2005 2:38 pm

In the US if a stallion's offspring dont win early, they are sent down the road.

When these offspring start winning, the stallion has been exported to some far away country.

As these types of stallions like Alphabet Soup are late maturing stallions.
These stallions require patience, and after 4 crops one can place judgement on them.

This is one reason a stallion's AWD is pure sprint distances, as most of the breeders breed away from stamina.

Mike · Postby **Mike** » Fri Nov 04, 2005 3:38 pm

There have been 35 Montjeurs start in total in Australia and New Zealand. 10 have been winners.(over two seasons) That figure is current 3rd November 2005.
In his first season there were 5 start in NZ for zero winners and 13 start in Australia for 3 winners.
Very ordinary.

louis finochio · Postby **louis finochio** » Fri Nov 04, 2005 6:34 pm

Very mediocre indeed, but what class level and distance did Montjeu's winners excell.

Mike · Postby **Mike** » Fri Nov 04, 2005 6:36 pm

Can't tell you, I'm sorry but I'll do a little research at some stage.

louis finochio · Postby **louis finochio** » Fri Nov 04, 2005 7:13 pm

MONTJEU (IRE) b. H 1996
Sadlers Wells---Floripedes, by Top Ville

Montjeu has a family of late maturing ancestors, they are a stamina oriented group as follows:

Prince Chevalier (Prince Rose) Sire Line
Beau Prince (Prince Rose) Sire Line
Prince Taj (Prince Rose Sire Line

Vieux Manoir (Swynford) Sire Line
Mahmoud (Swynford) Sire Line

Aristophanes (Gainsborough) Sire Line
Hyperion (Gainsrorough) Sire Line

Djeddah (Tourbillon) Sire Line

Tantieme (Teddy) Sire Line

Vimy (Rabelais) Sire Line

BenB · Postby **BenB** » Sun Nov 06, 2005 2:53 am

Tony Morris, writer for the pacemaker, thought that Montjeu, should become a major influence for the hurdler industry because of his stout bred pedigree. And like most of us know, hurdlers are gooiing of mostly from 4 yrs and up. So from that view he has done remarkedly better, than what could be expected. I do think that the best will show up when given time and distances 12 furlong and up, and maybe there will be a melbourne cup winner in between them.

louis finochio · Postby **louis finochio** » Sun Nov 06, 2005 8:34 am

Montjeu top progeny in earnings are as follows:

Hurricane Run BMS Surumu Sire Line Dark Ronald Stamina

Motivator BMS Gone West Sire Line Phalaris Speed

Scorpion BMS Law Society Sire Line Rabelais Stamina

Walk in The Park BMS Robellino Sire Line Phalaris Speed&Stamina

Dash to theTop BMS Nashwan Sire Line Phalaris Speed

Montare BMS Shirley Heights Sire Line Phalaris Speed&Stamina

Stagelight BMS Shernazar Sire Line Swynford Stamina

The majority of mares that were bred to Montjeu were from stamina familys, thus you can expect from Montjeu progeny the same results.

If the TB breeders bred middle distance mares to Montjeu they would quicken the pace of Montjeu offspring.

FOS · Postby **FOS** » Sun Nov 06, 2005 4:38 pm

hi Mike

You wrote re: Montjeu and his success (or lack thereof) downunder "He's a goneburger."

Great choice of words

...it says it all.

Best to you.

Respectfully