Just when you THINK you have seen and heard everything ...

[TrueColours]

along comes this stipulation in a stallion ad I happened to come across today:

Maiden Mares have a non refundable handling fee of $500 when being live covered.

Like - huh???!

I have had some maiden mares that stand like rocks and some older mares that should know better that do Lipizzan leaps and nearly yank your arm from its socket ...

Yes - some maiden mares take some persistance and patience and understanding, but that can be said for ALL mares, for goodness sakes ...

So in the case of this stallion - forget the stud fee which is $2500.00 on its own, you also have a non refundable booking fee of $500.00 and this non refundable "maiden mare" fee of $500.00 as well

Heck of a deal for the Stallion Owner - they are $1000.00 in pocket and havent even STARTED to breed the mare yet!

[LSB]

Heck of a deal for the Stallion Owner - they are $1000.00 in pocket and havent even STARTED to breed the mare yet!

It's a heck of a deal if maiden mare owners are dumb enough to pay it. I would think that most would simple go elsewhere--and if they really like the stallion, book him the following year when the mare is no longer a maiden.

[camohn]

I know what ad that is. I was just discussing it with someone. There are some other errrrrr interesting clauses besides that one.

[TrueColours]

There are some other errrrrr interesting clauses besides that one.

You are SO diplomatic ...

And yes ... I agree ... ...

[toadie]

so, r u going to tell us which stallion?

[magic code]

Good Lord. We give all maidens here a $5 shot of tranq and go on with it using a twitch. In four years I have only seen a mare kick a stallion ONCE.

That is nuts.

PS - just google TrueColours' quoted quote and you'll find it.

PPS - Breeding contract stipulates that at $10 a day (or $350 month ) you get daily turnout and two meals a day. For just $5 more every day, you get groomed, extra turnout time, and Lots Of Love and Extra Treats.

Those apostrophes are driving me nuts! Nut's, I tell you! Talking about injury to the "handler's breeding!" And a "rehandling fee" if the mare doesn't get in foal - puh-leeze! They will also keep a record of father services on the mare for you! A priest must live on the grounds!

[camohn]

He is advertised as just starting under saddle. I think my favorite is that his fee is up to 4,500 to warmblood mares. He is not warmblood approved, which means his foals o/o WB mares cannot be registered. For reference to the TB folks not farmiliar w/ warmblood stud fees a top WB stallion that has shown well and produces winning registered offspring goes for about a 3K studfee.

[TrueColours]

oh my ...

Life's High Design, LLC started to support the rescue efforts of P.M.U Foals. P.M.U stands for Pregnant Mare Urine, which is produced to supply pharmaceutical companies with hormones produced by pregnant horses. Farms sell this pregnant mare urine to produce the drug Premarin, a drug used for menopausal woman. They use the best bloodlines so they get the best urine.

(they also rescued a bunch of PMU foals a year or so ago - like 30+ of them) and now using this sales logic are trying to say that since the "best" bloodlines make the most superior urine (???) her PMU foals are the best.

I guess no one cottoned on to that theory early enough to use the likes of Secretariat, FuPeg, Alydar, etc in the PMU programs ...

Someone should truly sit this girl down and explain things to her. If anyone has read her breeding contract, it is pretty bizarre, including if the mare (maiden) doesnt co-operate, you lose your $500.00 maiden mare handling fee, as they dont want to continue to traumatize her by breeding her any longer ...

[adrienne]

Hehe... reading their breeding contract was fun.

I can say right now that these people know nothing about breeding and they haven't the knowledge or ability to stand a stallion.

They want stud fees, yes, but they also want all of the profit from the foal. The mare owner takes all the risk, but has to pay more for a better chance of getting colored foal. Cute.

They don't appear to want to breed, certainly not more than once.

I think if you do the math you can actually pay the booking fee, maiden mare fee and be out almost all the fees without the mare even getting bred.

Lordy.

Your job as a stallion owner/manager is to get mares pregnant. If it takes all season - that's the SERVICE you provide. If they don't want to perform that service, they need to send him to a stallion station where someone will.

Thanks for the read

I thought my stallion contract was crazy

~Adrienne

[Marli]

Too funny-

http://www.lifeshighdesign.com/index.php?page=breeding

Site states the 06' booking season is closed?

[TrueColours]

I still think my favorite part is the $60.00 bath!

Also available, for $100 a month we offer "one on one" care 10-15 minutes a day, 5 days a week. Includes: brushing/grooming, exercise and treats with extra attention. Bathing is available for $60 a wash. Other options are available, check the boarders contract for more info. Prices are subject to change without notice.

The book was still open yesterday and then "closed" late yesterday afternoon, so no idea what is going on ...

This is actually the scariest part of all, in their boarding contract, and Im no lawyer and have NO idea of what laws apply in NV but this cannot be legal:

Failure to pay boarding fees shall entitle LHD to immediately terminate this Agreement to keep HORSE in LHD’s possession as per a possessor
lien right until all fees and charges are paid in full. OR until LHD exercises its Lien right by selling of the said HORSE at a private or public
sale. After notifying OWNER of LHD’s intent, when fees are 30 days past due. In the event such sale does not secure a sufficient price to pay
the costs of the LHD past due boarding charges, plus costs of sale, OWNER shall pay to LHD the difference of same. Any amounts realized by
LHD at such sale, over and above boarding charges due, and costs of sale, shall be retained by LHD as liquidated damages for breach of this
Boarding Agreement by OWNER.

So - if you send your $50,000.00 mare to be bred, are 30+ days in arrears on board, they can sell it for the board owing PLUS keep any money over and above the selling price!

Geez Louise ... I have never in all my life seen clauses like that ANYWHERE!

[Shannon]

My god these people are MENTAL!! I can think of absolutley no one who would be stupid enough to enter a contract like that one,and anyone who does deserves what they get! Absolute crap!!
And was there not some goings on at some point (on teh old forum I beleive) about him getting his papers pulled, or not actually having papers or something? I would be checking him out with the JC before breeding to him. He should be registered as a chestnut since they don't recognize cremello, and a cremello is a double dilute chestnut.
Their stud fees are outrageous, and the way they have thme laid out is utter madness. Talk about limiting your income!
Will be interesting to see if they get any mares to him, and if so, how long their clients are around!

[TrueColours]

Shannon - the papers being pulled were on 4 colts bred by Goldhope Farm in PA. That is what you are referring to.

Billionaire was bred by Norsire Farm in VA and had nothing to do with that, so he did and still does, have his Jockey Club papers

And actually the JC does recognize palomino's now, so the palomino's AND cremello's are no longer chestnut on their papers. Thank goodness!

[LSB]

Hey I gave my mare a bath today. All by myself. I guessed I saved myself $60.

[TrueColours]

Hey I gave my mare a bath today. All by myself. I guessed I saved myself $60.

You nut!!!

Must be nice to have weather WARM enough to give them a bath!