hi LSB
I won't attempt to minimize your reservations pertaining to Wild Wonder...but I do sense that his future is very bright...even Stonerside now owns a quarter of him...and I'm told will support him.
For what it's worth...I understand there is a Wild Wonder now 2-yo that will show up on the scene in the not to distant future...is an eye-popper...and might be a candidate to fetch 7 figures.
I find your short-list interesting...including the Kris S stallion Action This Day (since there are some Roberto-line horses in your mare's family that have had success including the Kris S filly Gingham and Lace...and the Dynaformer filly Tina Dynamite)...although I'd probably look for the possibility of more early speed than he might have to offer, in the stallion I chose. That's one of the reasons I respectfully disagree with Pete (in his choice of Theatrical). Theatrical is a wonderful old stallion...and did get Astra when crossed with a Slew daughter...but arguably Theatrical's appeal is waning. Furthermore...if you don't get just the right kind by him...you're hanging out to dry.
If you're looking for young and fresh...I like Saarland's chances (of the horses on your list)...but I recommend beware...you'll be tripling up on Buckpasser...and possibly pushing the envelope re: knees.
Again...I just see Wild Wonder as a young stallion that has proven he can really get the right kind (despite all odds). And arguably at the sales that's what it's all about...the right kind.
From my perspective...Wild Wonder initially stood at one of the worst managed stallion facilities imaginable. Regardless...he's worked his way up the food chain...and I expect his future is bright.
All Things Considered...I would strongly recommend NOT putting the big bucks into a stud fee for Street Money, until you see with your own eyes what she might produce; but, being by Slew and as young as she is...Street Money might be an excellent candidate for a foal share to a nice horse...hmmm.
And if you wanted to play it safe...probably Stormy Atlantic at $20k is a smart play, and worth serious consideration. He did have a $1.9mil 2-year-old in training in Atlantic Ocean...who is out of a Seattle Slew daughter. And SA offers the Northern Dancer-line that should be a perfect addition to the Slew and Buckpasser.
Furthermore...I expect that Stormy Atlantic could be sitting on a very big year...his first Kentucky crop is on the verge of hitting the track...now...and I expect his future could be VERY bright.
Respectfully
Seattle Slew--Broodmare Sire of Sires?
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We agree again, FOS (this must be a record!) because I love Stormy Atlantic. When we were mare shopping, I looked at several in foal to him and really wanted to purchase a mare that could be breed to him. I love that family--in fact I already have a 2YO filly out of a half sister to his dam.
But...much as I like Stormy Atlantic, and even though it worked out fine for Atlantic Ocean, I really don't want to do a breeding that's 2x3 to Seattle Slew (or anyone else for that matter.) It's just too close for me.
Thanks for the recommendation though!
But...much as I like Stormy Atlantic, and even though it worked out fine for Atlantic Ocean, I really don't want to do a breeding that's 2x3 to Seattle Slew (or anyone else for that matter.) It's just too close for me.
Thanks for the recommendation though!
hi LSB
I understand your 2x3 concerns...not something I would generally jump on either, or push...BUT...(as you know) in the case of Stormy Atlantic, 2x3 Seattle Slew didn't just work, it actually worked VERY successfully (case in point, $1.9mil 2-yo in training and multiple G3 winner Atlantic Ocean, with earnings of approx $675K)...and (for what it's worth) 3x3 Slew (using Stormy Atlantic as a sire) produced SW-Hot Storm ($390K+) and sp-Tidal Wave ($180k+).
Moving on and glancing at Street Money's pedigree...it's easy to see that a Forty Niner connection has worked at least twice (SW-Gold Case by Forty Niner and sp-Rock n Rosh by Jules). With that in mind possibly Ecton Park and maybe Sunday Break (both by Forty Niner and out of Northern Dancer-line daughters) might be worthy of consideration...but I'm not particularly confident (yet) that either will generate any special enthusiasm which might help your cause at the sales.
That said...and knowing that a $40k+- stud fee (as in Theatrical, who is on your list for consideration) is a possibility...why not STRONGLY consider Songandaprayer (if there is still a season available at $35k). I am convinced he is on the fast track to a $100,000 (or more) stud fee...is the real thing...and I expect his appeal will continue to grow...to the point where he might very well become a scorching-hot commodity...possibly capable of generating a degree of market frenzy.
From my perspective...Songandaprayer at $35k, has become a stand out. I've seen too many VERY good ones to pass over him...and I sense he could prove to be very special.
His horses are (in general) big (in the tall sense), handsome, robust, well muscled and impressive...they're often strapping individuals with lots of body, and in general are well balanced and athletic-looking...they are often very correct, with plenty of bone...have good length and a big walk...AND if that's not enough...many buyers (including pinhookers) seem to love his offspring (and I believe rightfully so)...plus Songandaprayer is getting real runners.
Respectfully
I understand your 2x3 concerns...not something I would generally jump on either, or push...BUT...(as you know) in the case of Stormy Atlantic, 2x3 Seattle Slew didn't just work, it actually worked VERY successfully (case in point, $1.9mil 2-yo in training and multiple G3 winner Atlantic Ocean, with earnings of approx $675K)...and (for what it's worth) 3x3 Slew (using Stormy Atlantic as a sire) produced SW-Hot Storm ($390K+) and sp-Tidal Wave ($180k+).
Moving on and glancing at Street Money's pedigree...it's easy to see that a Forty Niner connection has worked at least twice (SW-Gold Case by Forty Niner and sp-Rock n Rosh by Jules). With that in mind possibly Ecton Park and maybe Sunday Break (both by Forty Niner and out of Northern Dancer-line daughters) might be worthy of consideration...but I'm not particularly confident (yet) that either will generate any special enthusiasm which might help your cause at the sales.
That said...and knowing that a $40k+- stud fee (as in Theatrical, who is on your list for consideration) is a possibility...why not STRONGLY consider Songandaprayer (if there is still a season available at $35k). I am convinced he is on the fast track to a $100,000 (or more) stud fee...is the real thing...and I expect his appeal will continue to grow...to the point where he might very well become a scorching-hot commodity...possibly capable of generating a degree of market frenzy.
From my perspective...Songandaprayer at $35k, has become a stand out. I've seen too many VERY good ones to pass over him...and I sense he could prove to be very special.
His horses are (in general) big (in the tall sense), handsome, robust, well muscled and impressive...they're often strapping individuals with lots of body, and in general are well balanced and athletic-looking...they are often very correct, with plenty of bone...have good length and a big walk...AND if that's not enough...many buyers (including pinhookers) seem to love his offspring (and I believe rightfully so)...plus Songandaprayer is getting real runners.
Respectfully
All good ideas, FOS. Songandaprayer's book is closed. A friend of mine checked last week for a mare of his. And while they might still be admitting "special mares" unfortunately mine doesn't qualify.
With stallions filling up quickly, we have gone ahead and booked her to Limehouse. It works on paper, it's a very good physical match, and I really respect a horse that can stay sound and win graded stakes at 2,3 and 4. Thanks for the input!
With stallions filling up quickly, we have gone ahead and booked her to Limehouse. It works on paper, it's a very good physical match, and I really respect a horse that can stay sound and win graded stakes at 2,3 and 4. Thanks for the input!
I love Seattle Slew on the bottom of a stallion and I just purchased a Silver Deputy mare out of the OBS sale who is out of a Seattle Slew mare. We actually werent looking to buy another mare after purchasing a Tabasco Cat mare earlier in the sale but I couldnt pass up on this mare. I even had to use a different buying agent since mine had left town already, it truly was that unexpected. So we went from owning zero broodmares to two in two days. The bug bites hard. Now to find a mate for both. 
hi LSB
I was just looking at a pedigree which included Spanker Mare (born 1675)...a mare that arguably had a HUGE impact in shaping the thoroughbred breed.
When I saw that Spanker Mare was inbred 2x1 (yes 2x1), that immediately reminded me of what you recently wrote...that 2x3 "was too close" for you.
Her sire (Spanker) was also her half-brother...OUCH
You might agree...2x3 sounds like a distant relative as compared to 2x1.
Best to you.
Respectfully
LSB wrote:"...as I like Stormy Atlantic, and even though it worked out fine for Atlantic Ocean, I really don't want to do a breeding that's 2x3 to Seattle Slew (or anyone else for that matter.) It's just too close for me."
I was just looking at a pedigree which included Spanker Mare (born 1675)...a mare that arguably had a HUGE impact in shaping the thoroughbred breed.
When I saw that Spanker Mare was inbred 2x1 (yes 2x1), that immediately reminded me of what you recently wrote...that 2x3 "was too close" for you.
Her sire (Spanker) was also her half-brother...OUCH
You might agree...2x3 sounds like a distant relative as compared to 2x1.
Best to you.
Respectfully