Siblings

[Keith]

Forego by Forli-Lady Golconda by Hasty Road 3 Time Horse Of The Year
Foredate by Forli-Lady Golconda by Hasty Road-unraced dam of 1 stakes placed horse -Desert View by Damascus-2nd Indian Sunlite S.

Secretariat by Bold Ruler-Somethingroyal by Princequillo- Triple Crown Winner and 2 time Horse of The Year
The Bride by Bold Ruler-Somethingroyal-Unplaced in 4 starts
Syrian Sea by Bold Ruler-Somethingroyal-Multiple Stakes Winner

Affirmed by Exclusive Native-Won't Tell You by Crafty Admiral won Triple Crown
She Won't Tell by Exclusive Native-Won't Tell You winner of $42,450
Silent Fox by Exclusive Native-Won't Tell You winner of $205,105

Alydar by Raise a Native-Sweet Tooth by On-and-On 2nd in all 3 Triple Crown races and winner of $957,175
Foyt by Raise a Native-Sweet Tooth 3rd Peter Pan S.
Americano by Raise a Native-Sweet Tooth Once third in 5 starts- $3,350

War Admiral by Man O War-Brushup by Sweep won Triple Crown
War Brush by Man O War-Brushup Unraced
Military Brush by Man O War-Brushup Unplaced in 5 starts
War Hysteria by Man O War-Brushup Unplaced in 8 starts
Our Colors by Man O War-Brushup Unplaced in 2 starts

Citation by Bull Lea-Hydroplane II by Hyperion won Triple Crown
Unbelievable by Bull Lea-Hydroplane II winner of $9,275
Siena Way by Bull Lea-Hydroplane II Unraced
St. Crispin by Bull Lea-Hydroplane II Unraced

Storm Cat by Storm Bird-Terlingua by Secretariat $500,000 Stud Fee
Namesake by Storm Bird-Terlingua 2 thirds in 4 starts


Just a few examples that always breeding to the same stallion does not necessarily get you success

Keith

[louis finochio]

The test of a quality mare is when the mare is bred to a different stallion each season.

Those Blue Hen mares will breed those superior runners every time as they have that mysterious nicking factor that separates them from those medicore mares.

When you research those Blue Hen mares you will find they dont have a sire line preference, they will produced those quality runners with all sire lines.

On full siblings, the best of the full siblings will make a positive impression in the breeding shed.

[Derring]

I know this isn't your point but I think you meant to put:

Secretariat--By Bold Ruler out of SomethingRoyal by Princequillo

[henthorn]

Right, Derring. And Syrian Sea and The Bride are also out of Somethingroyal. Miss Disco is the dam of Bold Ruler.

[pretender]

put the sale prices next to those animals.

Nobody is trying to breed a better horse at this point, just want some sale money.

Fool not to take it.

[henthorn]

Pretender, I don't understand your comment. If the mare and stallion have produced one wonderful athlete, how can the breeder NOT be trying to develop a good racehorse by repeating the matchup?! Who's to say that the original star is the best this match has to offer?

[Nerd]

I guess if you get one cross that works, you have to decide whether your mare is top quality or not and hence to breed her back or to go for variery.

Say you breed to a variery of sires. If she is top notch, you will get good runners from a diversity of sires and have multiple stallion prospects with different lineages. If she isn't, and it was just that particular cross that worked, you have just wasted a crapton of money in stud fees and several productive seasons of your mare.

[pretender]

Keith's point is that full siblings dont always guarantee success. I agree with that. Keith has made this comment based on track performance.

There are other measures of success, one being sales price. I dont have the ability to verify what the above unsuccessful track horses sold for, but I can imagine they sold for more than they otherwise would have.

[DoubleDownStables]

Does anyone know what happened to NAMESAKE? I can't believe there would be no interest in standing the full sibling to Storm Cat when there are so many poor sons at stud.