Thoroughbred Trainers
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Thoroughbred Trainers
Any one know of any good trainers for breaking thoroughbreds for the track in California?
Good trainers in NorCal to break babies....hmmmm......that's a poser. I can't think of one outfit that does the kind of job they do in Ky or at Merryland. But here's a couple of places:
http://members.tripod.com/daehling_ranch/
They train for $28 a day; you can't get cheaper, I'm sure. They come back looking ok, nothing special but taken care of for sure. They don't have much experience facing horses galloping at them, so they are a little spooky the first few days on the racetrack, but they are broke enough.
http://www.montyroberts.com/flag_training_bording.html
They've gotten famous but they still break babies. Not really NorCal, though.
http://www.legacy-ranch-inc.com/
This used to be Blooming Hills in Clements. I haven't heard of any horse coming out of there since it changed hands but somebody must be using them.
http://members.tripod.com/daehling_ranch/
They train for $28 a day; you can't get cheaper, I'm sure. They come back looking ok, nothing special but taken care of for sure. They don't have much experience facing horses galloping at them, so they are a little spooky the first few days on the racetrack, but they are broke enough.
http://www.montyroberts.com/flag_training_bording.html
They've gotten famous but they still break babies. Not really NorCal, though.
http://www.legacy-ranch-inc.com/
This used to be Blooming Hills in Clements. I haven't heard of any horse coming out of there since it changed hands but somebody must be using them.
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breaking babies in California
Efrain Guzman at Once Over Farm in Morgan Hill does an excellent job at a reasonable price. I would definately send one there before sending one to Victory Rose....lol
Once you break the horsse...i would find a trainer at the Alameda County Fairgrounds in Pleasanton. In my opinion it's the best place to start a young horse in California.
Once you break the horsse...i would find a trainer at the Alameda County Fairgrounds in Pleasanton. In my opinion it's the best place to start a young horse in California.
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Slew83,
I copied Siboney's post from the Liquored Up Horses thread for you. Be very careful who you send your baby to. "Reasonable" gets very expensive when you are paying a vet to put your horse back together. In this country, the wastage rate in young Thoroughbreds is between 93% and 97%, depending on the year. Most babies never make it to a race. That's because drugs and alcohol are no substitute for training and conditioning. When I walk one of my clean babies into the paddock for their first races and they stand to be saddled and walk quietly while I put my jockey up, and go out and load into the gate and pop right out, all while other trainers chemically calmed horses are bucking, pitching a fit, flying around them, I wonder why those owners can't see that they aren't getting anything for their money. I've been in the way of their flying hind feet as they try to dump their riders in the paddock too many times while my babies go out flat footed with nothing in them.
A good start is critical to a race prospect. I don't know anyone in California who starts babies, but if I were you, I would ask everyone you know who owns racehorses what trainers start babies close to you, so you can go and see what's going on. Also, I would ask those people to tell you about the horses that person has started for them. If you start hearing about injuries and breakdowns, run away. Ask them how many they've sent to the person, and how many of those actually made it to a race. That's the best way to find a good horse breaker. Everybody has win pics on the wall. Are there 10 ruined horses for every win pic? That's the question.
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Posted: Fri Feb 02, 2007 9:53 pm Post subject: spirits
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Spirits have been used on the track for longer than you can imagine.....lol
The people think it's a practice used by scoundrels to somehow manipulate races at the risk of hurting the horse, have no clue about training racehorses. They'd better learn a little before rushing to judgement.
Before Lasix became the drug of choice for bleeders, Alcohol was one of the more common aids in treating horses against bleeding. Alcohol (Clear) in small amounts helps lower blood pressure and is most beneficial in relaxing nervous horses prone to bleed, dehydrate and tye-up.
The issue should not be the harmful effects of alcohol on the equine athlete and those "bad" trainers....lol Although P.E.T.A. fans would love to make it such. The problem is the 24(or)48 hour rules in most jurisdictions...unfortunately, alcohol is most effective 1-2 hours prior to racing and that is what puts users of this benine remedy on the wrong side of the fence although it's common practice at many top racetracks across the nation.
I copied Siboney's post from the Liquored Up Horses thread for you. Be very careful who you send your baby to. "Reasonable" gets very expensive when you are paying a vet to put your horse back together. In this country, the wastage rate in young Thoroughbreds is between 93% and 97%, depending on the year. Most babies never make it to a race. That's because drugs and alcohol are no substitute for training and conditioning. When I walk one of my clean babies into the paddock for their first races and they stand to be saddled and walk quietly while I put my jockey up, and go out and load into the gate and pop right out, all while other trainers chemically calmed horses are bucking, pitching a fit, flying around them, I wonder why those owners can't see that they aren't getting anything for their money. I've been in the way of their flying hind feet as they try to dump their riders in the paddock too many times while my babies go out flat footed with nothing in them.
A good start is critical to a race prospect. I don't know anyone in California who starts babies, but if I were you, I would ask everyone you know who owns racehorses what trainers start babies close to you, so you can go and see what's going on. Also, I would ask those people to tell you about the horses that person has started for them. If you start hearing about injuries and breakdowns, run away. Ask them how many they've sent to the person, and how many of those actually made it to a race. That's the best way to find a good horse breaker. Everybody has win pics on the wall. Are there 10 ruined horses for every win pic? That's the question.
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Posted: Fri Feb 02, 2007 9:53 pm Post subject: spirits
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Spirits have been used on the track for longer than you can imagine.....lol
The people think it's a practice used by scoundrels to somehow manipulate races at the risk of hurting the horse, have no clue about training racehorses. They'd better learn a little before rushing to judgement.
Before Lasix became the drug of choice for bleeders, Alcohol was one of the more common aids in treating horses against bleeding. Alcohol (Clear) in small amounts helps lower blood pressure and is most beneficial in relaxing nervous horses prone to bleed, dehydrate and tye-up.
The issue should not be the harmful effects of alcohol on the equine athlete and those "bad" trainers....lol Although P.E.T.A. fans would love to make it such. The problem is the 24(or)48 hour rules in most jurisdictions...unfortunately, alcohol is most effective 1-2 hours prior to racing and that is what puts users of this benine remedy on the wrong side of the fence although it's common practice at many top racetracks across the nation.
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Sibony,
I just don't find it amusing. And I'm not sorry. I'd rather be part of the solution than part of the problem, but that's just me.
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Honestly I don't know how anyone can make a reasonable wage starting and educating young thoroughbreds as everyone wants to do it cheaply but wants a well broke horse at the end! The cost of workmen's comp in California and even Florida is so prohibitive that after wages and feed and sundries you get no change out of $40 a day. If you have plenty into your youngster and want it broke properly please don't do it on the cheap.