SHAM_Any tail-male-line active sire from him?

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SHAM_Any tail-male-line active sire from him?

Postby Jorge » Thu Jan 28, 2010 6:43 pm

Any 21st century tail-male-line active sire descending from SHAM (1970)?

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Postby springboro » Thu Jan 28, 2010 9:13 pm

Sentinel Star, a stakes winning son of Shamgo, was listed as recently as 2007 in the California Stallion Roster.

http://www.ctba.com/07directory/alpha.htm

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Postby springboro » Thu Jan 28, 2010 9:33 pm

Sentinel Star is dead, but he has a 2008 son.

http://www.pedigreequery.com/bronze+medallion

interestingly inbred to Sham's sire, Pretense.

Breeder is the last owner of Sentinel Star, Leonard Lawson of Lookout California.

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Postby springboro » Thu Jan 28, 2010 10:10 pm

Also, a European line of Sham through his Irish champion son Jaazeiro, and Jaazeiro's son Farajullah who was exported to India.

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Postby Dave C » Fri Jan 29, 2010 8:05 am

Foxtrail was standing in Ontario.

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Postby Shammy Davis » Mon Feb 15, 2010 5:30 pm

The impact of SHAM would be an interesting subject? Jorge, where were you going w/this?

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Postby Jorge » Mon Feb 15, 2010 7:46 pm

For some time I have been curious on the influence of stallions whose broodmare sire was Princequillo. Mighty names like Secretariat and Sham, one can also add the less heralded Belmont Stakes winner, High Echelon. I know there are many others whose broodmare sire was Princequillo, but Sham in particular was underestimated in several areas.

There are several names, some mighty and famous, others equally mighty but not so famous, that deserve better legacy. Names like Buckpasser (famous), Dr. Fager (famous), Damascus (famous), Figonero, Quack, Riva Ridge, Kauai King, Flying Paster, Criminal Type, Lure, and Sham that its always good to witness their legacy.

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Postby Shammy Davis » Tue Feb 16, 2010 7:12 am

It is certainly worth discussing. Like SECRETARIAT, I think SHAM was probably better known, on a very limited basis, as a broodmare sire. I can't think of any colt or filly that he sired that did well at the races. Do you know of any?

Flying Paster is another interesting sire. Nasrullah was a great sire and yet we seem to look the other way if the ancestry didn't pass through Bold Ruler.

When I get some time, I'm going to do a little more research.

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Postby kimberley mine » Tue Feb 16, 2010 7:25 am

Shammy Davis wrote:
Flying Paster is another interesting sire. Nasrullah was a great sire and yet we seem to look the other way if the ancestry didn't pass through Bold Ruler.


Or Blushing Groom, or Grey Sovereign.

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Postby Shammy Davis » Tue Feb 16, 2010 10:00 am

KM, yes, include BG and GS.

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Postby Patuxet » Tue Feb 16, 2010 1:31 pm

"Nasrullah was a great sire and yet we seem to look the other way if the ancestry didn't pass through Bold Ruler."
"Or Blushing Groom, or Grey Sovereign."


Or Bald Eagle, Fleet Nasrullah, Jaipur, Indian Hemp, Nantallah, Nashua, Nasram, Never Bend, Never Say Die, Noor, On-and-On, Outing Class and Red God.
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Postby Patuxet » Tue Feb 16, 2010 1:41 pm

"For some time I have been curious on the influence of stallions whose broodmare sire was Princequillo"

The big five successful ones are: Key To The Mint, Kris S, Mill Reef and the half-brothers Secretariat and Sir Gaylord.

There are lots more which were very successful on the track but despite having every advantage in the breeding shed didn't amount to much like the full brothers Bold Lad and Successor.
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Postby Jorge » Fri Feb 19, 2010 4:54 pm

Lets not forget the mighty NOOR (1945)
http://www.pedigreequery.com/noor

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Postby Shammy Davis » Fri Feb 19, 2010 5:59 pm

Isn't interesting that the industry showed so little interest in SHAM. It's not like he was a dud. As records go, he broke the KD record, though it was behind SECRETARIAT.