WTF? Borel / Castellano

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WTF? Borel / Castellano

Postby Toccet02 » Fri Nov 05, 2010 1:33 pm

Wow, that was kinda funky.
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Postby zinn21 » Fri Nov 05, 2010 1:37 pm

Castellano with a very dangerous move aboard Prince Will I Am. This is one of those deals where nothing bad happened but two jocks (Borel and Garcia) could have ended up paralyzed. Borel would have killed Castellano if he had got a hold of him.

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Postby jagger » Fri Nov 05, 2010 2:17 pm

I like Borel against anybody. He's a monster!!!

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Postby foothillsequine » Fri Nov 05, 2010 2:21 pm

Thanks Zinn, I wondered what happened as I missed that race. Sounds like stakes were high and tempers flared....on the replay of the "fight", it looked like Castellano fired the first punch, and Borel was barely held back. I did not see the actual race, so have no idea what transpired to bring out the tempers. It seems that the TV folks prefer the drama to the race, as the altercation between the two is what they are showing!
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Postby Toccet02 » Fri Nov 05, 2010 2:29 pm

yeah, what the hell was JC doing? What a crazy move!
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Postby Carlo Algatrensig » Fri Nov 05, 2010 2:46 pm

From the looks of it castellano must have thought he was clear of anything on his outside. Having never ridden in a race do jockeys not take a quick look over their shoulder before moving out like that?

On another note I think everyone now knows not to ever mess with Calvin Borel. Any guy who weighs about 115lbs and needs three people to restrain him must be seriously strong.
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Re: Borel

Postby LB » Fri Nov 05, 2010 3:00 pm

jagger wrote:I like Borel against anybody. He's a monster!!!


Borel is a grandstander. You couldn't pay me enough to make me let him ride a horse of mine.

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Postby foothillsequine » Fri Nov 05, 2010 3:11 pm

This is driving me nuts! Probably not a far drive, but..what the heck happened? They showed the altercation again, but not the race replay. Calvin is now saying that in "30 years, this has never happened". So, what did JC do exactly?

FWIW, he may be a grandstander, but he is a helluva jockey-as evidenced by the last 3 of 4 Derby races. Not saying you are wrong LB, but he seems to be able to get the job done.... :wink:
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Postby Jessi P » Fri Nov 05, 2010 3:18 pm

Being a Derby winner doesnt give him the right to lose his cool over something that was NOT intentional IMO, esp for the OPENING event at Breeders Cup 2010.

I agree, Laurie - he IS indeed a grandstander. Give me a jock with a bit of class and maturity over a hot head any day.
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Postby Jessi P » Fri Nov 05, 2010 3:20 pm

FHE JC's horse shifted slightly to the right, and the horse who was riding his rear clipped heels and almost went down - but he didnt go down nor did the jockey fall off. IMO it was NOT intentional. They said Calvin helped/bumped/grabbed the jock on the clipping heels horse to help keep him in the saddle, but I didnt see it closely enough to see that myself.

They sure had to show the brawling incident enough times tho, didnt they?
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Postby foothillsequine » Fri Nov 05, 2010 3:22 pm

Well, perhaps I need to rescind that last comment! :oops: It seems that CB"s mind was not really on that race..perhaps it was the security to the paddock, and off, good grief. Awesome Feather wins the Juvenile Fillies!
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Postby AscotStud » Fri Nov 05, 2010 3:53 pm

I think espn did a good job of showing the inquiry replay over and over, and the connections interview before replaying winners circle altercation.
Did he do anything you can see that compromised Tell a Kelly’s race, just looked like she didn’t fire. As far as his head not on the race, IMO good pro athletes have short memories and that is what helps them remain on top, 2 hours is a lot longer than most get to regain there composer.
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Postby foothillsequine » Fri Nov 05, 2010 4:13 pm

You could be right Ascot, but fwiw, I am watching ESPN, and they have not shown the race itself, however the replay of the argument is getting old. Yes Ascot (again), Tell a Kelly did not look like she fired.

Jesse, thanks for the info, and you are right, professionals should not act in this manner. They just now showed the replay of the race (along with the dang fight), and it looked like it was just a fluke, so not sure why CB reacted like that. However the media does love the drama.

How about Shared Account winning at 46-1!? What a good race!
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Postby LB » Fri Nov 05, 2010 5:05 pm

foothillsequine wrote:FWIW, he may be a grandstander, but he is a helluva jockey-as evidenced by the last 3 of 4 Derby races. Not saying you are wrong LB, but he seems to be able to get the job done.... :wink:


In three races over two days last week (last day of Keeneland, first day of CD) he managed to clip heels in two races and bounce a 2yo baby off the rail in another when he tried to manufacture a spot that wasn't there. And that was pretty much business as usual for Calvin. He only looks fearless because he rides by intimidation. He doesn't care how many horses he injures as long as he gets to smile for the camera in the end. Just my opion, of course.

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Re: Borel

Postby Sysonby » Fri Nov 05, 2010 5:05 pm

LB wrote:
jagger wrote:I like Borel against anybody. He's a monster!!!


Borel is a grandstander. You couldn't pay me enough to make me let him ride a horse of mine.


This is the flip side of the chicken dance and histrionics immediately after a race. There have been times, like after this years Derby, that I rooted for the horse to drop him when he does that.

It was a dangerous situation but Calvin came completely unglued. The humorous stuff came later when Churchill decided to escort him back and forth from races with 6 big security guards. Did they think Calvin was going to completely lose it, jump the rail and start swinging at a fan? How long is that policy going to be in effect?