Godolphin Horses Positive for Steroids

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Godolphin Horses Positive for Steroids

Postby TJ » Mon Apr 22, 2013 12:35 pm

Trainer Mahmood Al Zarooni admits administering Steroids to his contingent of the Godolphin horses. He says he didn't realize he did anything wrong because they weren't racing at the time. TJ
http://www.drf.com/news/godolphin-horse ... e-steroids

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Postby Mac » Mon Apr 22, 2013 1:36 pm

Sounds very suspect. Hard to buy that he didn't know....wow...

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Postby dublino » Mon Apr 22, 2013 1:38 pm

Sad news - from what I hear he's a goner for this.

Certify one of the favourites for the first classic of the season the 1000 Guineas is banned indefinitely.

Sheikh Mo not a happy camper to say the least.

Second time in a year, last time they caught 2 of Mahmoods horses.
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Postby TJ » Mon Apr 22, 2013 2:25 pm

dublino wrote:Sad news - from what I hear he's a goner for this.

Certify one of the favourites for the first classic of the season the 1000 Guineas is banned indefinitely.

Sheikh Mo not a happy camper to say the least.

Second time in a year, last time they caught 2 of Mahmoods horses.


Hi Dub,
What's so sad, he's just another cheater and I doubt he's the only one. Goldolphin has the money to do their own blood testing. They know exactly how close they can "use" a prohibited substance in training and exactly when to withdraw that drug before a race, so it won't be detected. Out of competition testing will hopefully halt this practice. TJ

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Postby ageecee » Mon Apr 22, 2013 2:33 pm

hell yes he knew what he was doing. what is he suppose to say yea i knew what i was doing i admit it.

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Postby dublino » Mon Apr 22, 2013 2:39 pm

That's how the caught him both times, out of competition testing.
It's sad that this happened at the worlds largest outfit.

How much did Sheikh Mo know about this, that's the big question?

As you will find with most high profile/powerfull/religious people its do as I say not as I do.

A sad day for integrity, morality and most of all the poor horses that are in the care of the oxymoron we call humanity.

The BHA the licensing body will be banning the trainer for at least a year, precendent already set with a jumps trainer named Howard Johnson last year, and possibly indefinitely.....
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Postby TJ » Mon Apr 22, 2013 3:24 pm

dublino wrote:That's how the caught him both times, out of competition testing.
It's sad that this happened at the worlds largest outfit.

How much did Sheikh Mo know about this, that's the big question?

As you will find with most high profile/powerfull/religious people its do as I say not as I do.

A sad day for integrity, morality and most of all the poor horses that are in the care of the oxymoron we call humanity.

The BHA the licensing body will be banning the trainer for at least a year, precendent already set with a jumps trainer named Howard Johnson last year, and possibly indefinitely.....

Hi Dub,
Do you really think a trainer for Mo would do anything like this without it coming from the top? The trainer's taking the hit....that's all. The more out of competition testing they perform, the more they will find it is a normal training practice in "drug free" racing juristictions. TJ

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Postby wilf » Mon Apr 22, 2013 4:39 pm

In some states they would get a fine and a slap on the wrist. Maybe the trainers would hire a lawyer and drag it out in the courts .

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Postby dublino » Mon Apr 22, 2013 10:05 pm

Not in England he is immediately suspended pending an inquiry.
All 11 horses cannot race until the inquiry is heard.
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Postby TJ » Tue Apr 23, 2013 7:19 am

dublino wrote:That's how the caught him both times, out of competition testing.
It's sad that this happened at the worlds largest outfit.

How much did Sheikh Mo know about this, that's the big question?

Hi Dub,
In response to the "big question"...Mo isn't stupid, arrogant maybe....but not stupid. As you stated, he was caught before via out of competition testing. Since it happened again, I guess he did nothing about it. Mo is hands on and knows everything that goes on in his racing stable. Lets also remember that Mo himself, was suspended 6 months for winning an endurance race with a horse that was given the same steroids his recently suspended race horses received from Al Zarooni. Sheik Mo's suspension came during "event testing" not "out of competition" testing. What is absurd is Mo acting appalled that this happened. Especially since he knew the assistant trainer in his endurance horse stable (at the time Mo was suspended) was none other then Al Zarooni? My vote is he knew. TJ

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Postby FOS » Tue Apr 23, 2013 3:45 pm

hi TJ...hi dublino

TJ wrote:
dublino wrote:That's how the caught him both times, out of competition testing.
It's sad that this happened at the worlds largest outfit.

How much did Sheikh Mo know about this, that's the big question?

Hi Dub,
In response to the "big question"...Mo isn't stupid, arrogant maybe....but not stupid. As you stated, he was caught before via out of competition testing. Since it happened again, I guess he did nothing about it. Mo is hands on and knows everything that goes on in his racing stable. Lets also remember that Mo himself, was suspended 6 months for winning an endurance race with a horse that was given the same steroids his recently suspended race horses received from Al Zarooni. Sheik Mo's suspension came during "event testing" not "out of competition" testing. What is absurd is Mo acting appalled that this happened. Especially since he knew the assistant trainer in his endurance horse stable (at the time Mo was suspended) was none other then Al Zarooni? My vote is he knew. TJ

My understanding is that it was reported that Sheik Mo was appalled. I'd not be surprised if a spokesperson/aide came up with that choice of word(s).

I would submit that Sheik Mo is (or at least is perceived as) a very bright fellow; and will likely say little, if anything, about the inconvenient truth (if you will) that was exposed, until such time as credible-sounding :wink:, and integrity-laden :) , commentary is appropriately/properly prepared for dissemination...maybe by Sheik Mo himself 8) .

Question...is there clarity in the British Horseracing Authority rules as they relate to out-of-competition testing :?:

Best to ya.

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Postby dublino » Wed Apr 24, 2013 12:24 am

FOS wrote:Question...is there clarity in the British Horseracing Authority rules as they relate to out-of-competition testing :?:


Yes and his hearing will be within a week.
When something like this with samples taken and evidence in hand justice is served swiftly.

There is talk of a lifetime ban from the sport.
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Postby TJ » Wed Apr 24, 2013 3:52 am

Looks like Mahmood Al Zarooni's fate will be decided tomorrow (Thursday). TJ
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/horser ... rsday.html

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Postby oliverstoned » Thu Apr 25, 2013 5:36 am

Saddest thing is it is a man of such immense wealth doing the cheating.

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